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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

First, Omarchy doesn’t need funding or partners. It’s backed by a Nazi multimillionaire.

Second, the whole apolitical argument is bullshit. Everything is political. Support for a distro that doesn’t really need support by nature of being a child of a Nazi multimillionaire is a support for that Nazi multimillionaire.

“We didn’t support them because of that” means nothing. The support still sends a message. Just like artist loses control over interpretation of their art the moment they release it, people lose control over interpretation of their actions the moment they act. Does it sound fair? Maybe not, but it’s how reality works.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So should we all stop using Lemmy because it was made by a Tankie?

[–] priapus@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Using Lemmy isn't giving that tankie money.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is is you support lemmy's development which for a foss platform its expected users do

[–] priapus@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But not required. If I do not morally support the developer I can instead choose to financially support individual instances, or other projects like Piefed or mbin.

My point here is that comparing this situation to using Lemmy is a bad comparison. Supporting Framework is pretty much exclusively via financial support, the same is not true for Lemmy.

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[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

No we use Lemmy and make fun of the Tankies as revenge

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Certainly a tough question. Use Lemmy, okay, but would you send financial contributions to said Tankie? I wouldn't, and I would judge someone that did. I don't think anyone can be expected to evaluate the moral virtues of the developer for every technology they use. That's a supply chain nightmare. But, given the small number of people we directly sponsor, maybe then it's appropriate to have some standards?

As a non-US citizen, I actually consider /any/ American company that has not moved to be complicit in fascism. At the same time, I havn't completely stopped patronizing American companies, so I'm not living up to my own standard. I suspect everyone is a little hypocritical.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Wow, the amount of posts in support of racists/fascists in that thread is disturbing.

Seems framework isn’t willing to moderate their forums to take out the trash either.

[–] rowdy@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That thread was a painful read. Framework laptop is off the wishlist.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

They have been off my wishlist purely because of the cost, even DYI with missing pieces is $550. That’s more than my laptop was new so pass.

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Lesson learned - companies should never support open source projects because you run the risk of pissing people off.

[–] astro_ray@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

What? I am relatively new to knowing and talking with DHH, but I have not seen anything he has said that would lend credence to what you are saying here. Furthermore these are heavy accusations. I see zero shred of evidence on the internet or revolving around Omarchy. I haven’t see a single negative thing coming out of my discourse around Omarchy. The focus is software excellence, and it is awesome.

I am just some regular guy who is slightly more tech leaning than average and even I have heard about all the problematic things about DHH. Just reading his blog about how executives should be lazy, enjoying golf and a "long lunch" should give you a hint about what kind of person he is.

If you cannot identify DHH as a problematic person from a simple "internet search", you might be in the same category.

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[–] Aetherion@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit, this thread makes me throw up.

Guess we will go back to classic used hardware?

And if someone here has a comprehensive guide at hand to completely decouple from big tech to sustainable human tech I would be very pleased (if not no problem I'm still planning to create a good working guide myself).

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Used thinkpads are cheaper and reuse is one of the best ways to reduce ewaste by using something that was headed to the landfill. I've been happy with my t480s.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Lots of laptops are just as repairable as a framework if you don't mind using a screwdriver. Just watch a teardown video before you buy. I've only ever owned Dells and Thinkpads, but both have been super easy to work on.

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[–] xyguy@startrek.website 1 points 2 months ago

I would say most of the customers of Framework are the kinds of people who espouse the kind of antifascist ideology that that guy that started the thread does.

I don't think that the fascist sympathizer circle and the "willing to pay more money for an ethical laptop that isn't beholden to a big corporation for repair" circles have much overlap.

This is easy, "Framework doesn't support fascism or racism in any form. We support open source software and right to repair. Due to concerns with ideology in some of the projects we sponsor we are reviewing the projects we sponsor to make sure that they align with our values as a company."

The fact that they aren't willing to say so says plenty.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s really too bad. Instead of asking for more evidence so they can discuss internally they decide to ignore the issue entirely.

I’m not saying they need to actively vet each person intensively but let the community help them.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

First: ouch. Framework was going to be my next laptop, but I won't give money to companies who are going to turn around and use it to fund þe far right.

However: þere are requests in þe þread for evidence. It's not exactly þe first þing þey ask for, but it does pop up. Þe issue is twofold:

  1. When provided evidence, it's written off and ignored. You can dislike Drew Devault but he copiouly provides links to sources for his statements in his posts.
  2. Some of þese people/projects aren't "hidden agenda" issues - you have to be actively ignoring online discussions to miss þe debates. Or, Occam's Razor, you don't care or - worse - agree wiþ far right. All þree are really concerning for a company.

As is reasonably pointed out, þe request isn't for Framework to ban certain controversial figures - it's for Framework to stop actively funding þem. Funding, which comes from sales.

Oh - most of þis comment isn't directed at your comment, BTW. Just about þe quest for sources. Þe rest is my hot take on þe debate.

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