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Doesn't matter, this kind of enshittification is universal to the automotive world.
It does matter, if there is ever a conflict between China and the EU, China can completely disable our infrastructure without firing a shot.
It would have the same effect as a nuke on all cities.
It would have the same effect as a nuke on all cities.
Yeah, just like the other day when there was a problem with the overhead line which stopped all the trams and gave me radiation poisoning.
Guess where many European manufacturers do have a lot of their components made, because it's cheaper? If China wants to disable much more than just European infrastructure, they can simply do this by enacting an embargo.
In a conflict with China, we're royally fucked in one way or another. Thanks to boundless corporate greed and political complicity.
The real problem here is over the air updates in a piece of infrastructure, even more so in a machine where a malfunction can endanger lives.
From the OP post:
The Chinese model featured a SIM card that allowed the manufacturer to remotely install software updates that made it vulnerable, whereas the Dutch model did not.
Dont forget those polish trains, this is not simply a china vs west situation, this ridiculously wide spread. Lawmakers should have been all over this years ago!
It's less about that. Buy things you actually own, independent of the supplier. Sure, I'd rather have a European supplier to control my stuff than Chinese one, it's not even a competition, but come on.
So, just like any vehicle that downloads software updates from its manufacturer?
If they do that, the manufacturer can add whatever they like to specific vehicles, including kill switches.
Read the post:
The Chinese model featured a SIM card that allowed the manufacturer to remotely install software updates that made it vulnerable, whereas the Dutch model did not.
That's really interesting take I wonder if the actual article says anything about that, should we maybe check it out
It's mind boggling that EU allows communication from/to vehicles and appliances (without opt-in?) and without a hardware switch that disables all communication in first place.
There's an even bigger issue with these busses.
They were never made for the cold of Norway, and the electric heating couldn't keep them warm even in the relative mild winters that Oslo has. To fix this they installed auxiliary diesel heaters. These diesel heaters use more diesel(see edit) to keep the busses warm than the previous generation of diesel hybrid busses used to both fuel the engine, and keep the busses warm.
So the new EV busses that were supposed to lower local pollution ended up costing more and polluting more.
Edit: these heaters haven't actually been tested in a winter scenario, and the "diesel consumption exceeds the previous busses" claim is based on just looking at the spec sheet for the diesel heaters to be fitted. And it's compared to the previous plug-in hybrid busses which obviously had a lot of their fuel consumption covered by being plug-in
Here's an article that mentions the fitting of the diesel heaters: https://www.nrk.no/stor-oslo/slik-skal-ruter-og-unibuss-unnga-nytt-busskaos-i-vinter-1.17036833
Now technically they could heat them to a comfortable temperature with only the resistive heating, but they would not have the battery capacity to get through the minimum required range to serve their routes.
The stuff about the diesel heaters exceeding the consumption of the previous busses seems to be based on preliminary data from the specs of the heaters, and not actual real life data as they didn't have time to fit the heaters before the previous winter hit. And the only stuff I can find about it is pay walled. I will add an edit to my original comment for this.
Iveco makes ~50% of European buses. The next biggest is Mercades. Then MAN. They all do this. Weird how people came away from the article thinking this is a Chinese problem though.
The Chinese model featured a SIM card that allowed the manufacturer to remotely install software updates that made it vulnerable, whereas the Dutch model did not.
And even if you are right, it makes a huge difference whether a European company does that or a malign foreign state-actor. For the same reasone, btw, China has been banning European and other non-Chinese companies from their domestic markets. For example, China's ban of Nokia and Ericsson from its domestic networks was said to be over national security. Europe must do the same.
europe should just ban internet connected vehicles. entertainment system? fine if it can be easily disabled. anything else? hard no!
Please read the article before commenting.
Genuinely sick of this shit. From anyone. I can't build all my own shit. I don't need my couch spying on me, thats what my phone is for.