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Asahi Linux Still Working On Apple M3 Support, m1n1 Bootloader Going Rust (www.phoronix.com)

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The Asahi Linux developers involved with working on Linux support for Apple Silicon M-Series devices have put out a new progress report on their development efforts.

Asahi Linux developers have kept working on new kernel patches and some being upstreamed for Linux 6.17 and 6.18 cycles, as previously covered on Phoronix. Notably with Linux 6.18 is the Device Trees for the Apple M2 Pro / Max / Ultra devices albeit more driver code is still working its way upstream.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Asahi Linux team is just amazing. Reverse engineering all that crap just to ensure it won't turn into e-waste when people need a new toy. Very respectable.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

The Asahi Linux devs still have a while to improve M1 support before Apple drops it

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

It may be surprising to learn that very basic, low-level support for M3 has existed for quite some time now. m1n1 is capable of initialising the CPU cores, turning on some critical peripheral devices, and booting the Asahi kernel. However, the level of support right now begins and ends with being able to boot to a blinking cursor. Naturally, this level of support is not at all useful for anything but low-level reverse engineering, but we of course plan on rectifying this in due time…

[–] Damage@feddit.it 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, I have great respect for these developers and their efforts, but it sure does look like being in an abusive relationship

[–] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago

Two, arguably: one with Apple and one with upstream Linux.

[+] hddsx@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I hope whoever is managing this does it better than Ubuntu’s rust debacle

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope whoever is managing this does it better than Ubuntu’s rust debacle

Honestly: Why? Apple M processor platform support relies completely on reverse engineering. It's not a production-ready platform despite what some people keep shouting in forums. Even old M1 and M2 Macs can only reboot running Linux since this summer: https://officialaptivi.wordpress.com/2025/07/26/linux-6-17-will-be-able-to-reboot-silicon-macs/

A Rust rewrite of the bootloader is the least of their construction sites.

[–] troed@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you run Asahi Linux of course you could reboot - what you're linking is that the functionality got mainlined.

I run Asahi on an M1 Macbook Pro and the only functionality I've ever found missing is USB-C video out. It works so well otherwise that I completely forgot it isn't there and sat together with a customer not understanding why I couldn't get a picture up on their presentation screen.

[–] xav@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

Also actually being able to go to sleep mode. Currently it's more or less just the screen going off, the battery still drains like crazy in a few hours. Another basic feature not working.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There is no "debacle". 25.10 is an interim release specifically there for testing new things. They are catching bugs exactly where they are supposed to.

If you're calling it a "debacle", you might as well download the test version of any software out there, discover a bug and call that a "debacle".

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

25.10 is an interim release specifically there for testing new things.

You're confusing alpha and beta versions with an actual release. A release without long term support is still a release.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe Ubuntu changed since I last used it. I looked and it looks like interim means non-LTS.

coreutils is, well, important. It’s fine to bring new software in, but you have to test it. And they haven’t tested enough.

Ubuntu has, at least long stretches of the past decade, been a really good server and desktop for me. Having bugs that prevent updates is not acceptable for a server OS. Yes, you should be able to manually intervene but I expect a higher standard from Ubuntu.

Changes like swapping out coreutils for the rust variant really needs to go through Debian first. Are there bugs that trickle through Debian? Yes. But Debian is stable. Ubuntu should be too. They are basically testing a core function in production. Ubuntu releases are not supposed to be betas. At least, historically, that has held true.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

coreutils is, well, important. It’s fine to bring new software in, but you have to test it. And they haven’t tested enough.

They abolished alpha and beta versions because Canonical's QA is so good, they don't need them any longer...

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Clearly.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have there been problems since 25.10 released? Real question. I have not seen those articles. I thought it had gone well.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

https://lwn.net/Articles/1043103/