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Depending on who you are, you may find it hilarious, fascinating, insufferable, or horrifying that one of the world's most powerful men is obsessing over a figure from sermons and horror movies. But the ideas and influences behind these talks are key to understanding how Thiel sees his own massive role in the world—in politics, technology, and the fate of the species. And to really grasp Thiel’s katechon-and-Antichrist schtick, you need to go back to the first major lecture of his doomsday road show—which took place on an unusually hot day in Paris in 2023. No video cameras recorded the event, and no reporters wrote about it, but I’ve been able to reconstruct it by talking to people who were there.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The fact that people can have sincerely held beliefs that are fucking crazy, is a decisive arguement in favor of capping the maximum amount of wealth and power an individual can have.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

And a reason to offer public mental health services that preclude such psychos from becoming so powerful

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I like Bernie's idea of taxing anything over 999 million at 100%. I'm sure billionaires could get by with only nine digits of wealth...

I wrote about Peter Thiel and Carl Schmitt a few months ago because of his connection to Carl Schmitt fanboy Adrian Vermule.

I had no idea (but also not really surprised to learn) Schmitt had a much more direct influence on Thiel. It makes a lot of sense in that none of this makes any fucking sense. These people are just fucking nuts

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Peter Thiel is a really weird guy. It's too bad that money is a force multiplier for such weird people. Otherwise, freaks like this could just be ignored by the rest of us. Without money, he'd be forced to stand out on the sidewalk with a sign yelling crazy shit. Or the more modern equivalent - posting memes borrowed from other conservative cranks on Facebook until normal people just block him.

This guy is obsessed with the book The Sovereign Individual, too. I mean, the worldview of the authors of that book - it really has to be read to be believed...they really do cast the capitalists as the victims. The victims of labor activism.

And then there is Thiel's thing with Curtis Yarvin....the fact that he's also a believer in xtian eschatology and what seems to be rather typical Birch Society bullshit (fear of a "one world government")...almost seems like rather basic bitch stuff. Hell, Hollywood has been pitching that kind of thing for how long? The Omen, The Seventh Sign, The Prince of Darkness, etc...you'd think all that money would buy something rather more interesting when it comes to philosophy.

Also, it's really weird that article brings up Night of the Long Knives and nothing about Thiel being gay. Are people still afraid of him over that Gawker thing? I mean, that was some real "free speech maximalism" right there....

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Don't forget that thiel likely had his gay lover killed because of being gay (and probably the Epstein stuff)

https://theintercept.com/2023/03/23/peter-thiel-jeff-thomas/

And when you get to the part when you find out that they're all fans or friends with Alexander Dugin - Putin's philosopher and absolute psychopath, things get even more fun.

Warning: this is a nutjob extreme rw site that is host to writings by dugin (and others). Enter at the expense of your hope for humanity.

https://arktos.com/2025/03/18/an-even-deeper-state-and-the-dark-enlightenment/

https://arktos.com/2024/09/19/lacan-and-psychedelic-trumpism/

Figures like Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug), and the brilliant French philosopher René Girard (who wrote on sacred violence) are atypical for classic right-wing Republicans. They cannot be used to illustrate the Imaginary (which the progressives supposedly aim to dismantle in the name of the Symbolic). In Vance, the Democrats’ psychoanalytic strategy fails, as Vance himself embodies the atypical right-wing Symbolic pole. It is even possible that he understands this and is familiar with Lacan. Thus, choosing Vance as vice president is a key move in Trump’s campaign. Once again, the magic of chaos — represented by the Borromean rings and their connection to dreamlike psychedelia — comes into play, but this time more systematically.

Like wtf ? People actually listen and worship this guy.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

...and people called postmodernism a lot of masturbatory gibberish. Seeing the RW trying to rationalize their psychopathy is another thing altogether...

I'm still making my way through The Sovereign Individual, speaking of trying to rationalize psychopathy.

This thing reads like some programmer that got their first paycheck in their teens-to-early-20s, and because they are outraged at the government "taking" from them, and since they read Ayn Rand at 15 (and never really shrugged it off), they decided to open their word processor and start writing a manifesto about how things are supposed to work according to someone with permanent arrested development shaking their fist at having to pay taxes. In this case, it's two authors, so they actually had a little circle jerk as they wrote this mess, I take it. I'm wondering if they sat there goading each other on, crafting more and more ways to express their absolute loathing of labor, government, any form of collectivism whatsoever, etc...

[–] rayyy@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Projection, deflection and denial are where these nutcases live.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

And flat out lies and stupidity

[–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is there a way I can read this? Tried the Internet archive and you can read it for a paragraph and then it resets to the sign in screen.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

On Firefox I put it in Reader mode and theb refresh the page.

[–] xyzzy@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is one of the most interesting articles I've read in a while. If I can summarize:

Peter Thiel (through his company Palantir and his protégé, JD Vance) is actively working to construct a police state centered on scapegoating marginalized people in order to reinforce American cultural unity in order to stave off the end of the world. This is based heavily on the ideas of a Nazi philosopher, Carl Schmitt, who misinterpreted and misapplied the thinking of a French-American philosopher, René Girard, who said scapegoating has become less and less effective in producing cultural unity since the time of Jesus (who personified the scapegoat and revealed its immorality). Schmitt later admitted he had backed the wrong horse (Hitler), and his actions had brought the world closer to a one-world government, which all agree is what will enable the Antichrist to bring about Armageddon.

Thus, my interpretation, the natural conclusion is that Vance is scapegoating immigrants, trans people, etc. in some deranged plan to prevent the end of the world.

Thus, my interpretation, the natural conclusion is that Vance is scapegoating immigrants, trans people, etc. in some deranged plan to prevent the end of the world.

Or so they can always claim

Thiel is and has always been very careful to have his own scapegoat in place (in this case Vance or Alex Karp) so that he can always avoid the repercussions that follow the inevitable downfall his own actions have caused.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

It just gets creepier and creepier as you read on, especially considering it was written in 2019.

The Antichrist will form an alliance with the ruler of Israel and will desire to occupy the coastal area.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

There is nothing more dangerous than a powerful man who belive he is doing the will of his god.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Austrian, huh? Where have I heard this story before?