You mean all of us average earners aren’t buying $80,000 electric cars in droves during this time of insane inflation? Weird!
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China actually has electric cars with 300km range for under $20k.
We're not allowed to buy them in the West because it would show us all how much we're getting ripped off by our rulers.
We really are stupid and paying the price everyday.
Those cars are 20k because the majority of chinese blue collar workers are treated like 19th century coal miners, with few labor laws or regulations to speak of.
We get cheap shit because of their suffering.
You're peddling talking points that exist to ensure you can't a better deal due to lack of competition and artificially inflated prices.
Have you ever had a banana? Guess why they're so cheap. We still get access to them and useful idiots like you don't complain because the banana market doesn't threaten the wealth of people richer than you can comprehend.
This is the problem, right here folks. Think tanks have been working overtime to make sure people like /u/whatamlemmy can feel justified in being cut off from more competitive markets.
Yeah and let's not even talk about all the clothes people buy that end up in landfills. Created by workers in horrible working conditions.
Yes, we should all be buying Hermes socks for $300.
Don't people complain about the inhumane conditions and treatment of the laborers by banana companies all the time? lol
No, they don't.
They also don't block importing them to the US.
The working conditions for the average banana farmer is also significantly worse than the average Chinese car manufacturers.
Same is true of almost everything you own, large groups of people stuck in poverty isn't an accident, it's on purpose and it's everywhere in this world sadly
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There's more to this than JUST that. Not that you're wrong of course.
China subsidizes heavily because they want to be the only relevant player in the global EV market. These cars would cost closer to their non-Chinese counterparts if China wasn't doing this.
In global economics, this is considered unfair, and is usually retaliated against via tariffs.
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China actually has electric cars with 300km range for under $20k.
and some of them actually make it to 300kms.
I need more range than 300km and I'd be all over this if it uses LifeP04 batteries. I work 48 hour shifts, but drive about 150km each direction. Which means during the winter if I wanted to round trip it I'd need a 400km range vehicle.
Hope you gain the ability to charge for those 48 hours, seems like it would open your options
It would, but right now that's pretty much not possible.
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Not sure that would help that much. A good amount of Bosch's business is in manufacturing parts for internal combustion engines, that's going away in any case.
You do have the Renault 4 and 5 that are reasonably priced. And I think Fiat also has a reasonably priced model.
We’re fairly limited in North America, unfortunately.
EU has 13 EVs under 25,000 euros. North American EVs are overpriced.
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TIL Robert Bosch was an upstanding guy (and, according to workers' representatives, would be "rotating in his grave"). Also there used to exist an organisation in the US called The Noble and Holy Order of the Knights of Labor that he was a member of. Someone revive that Order.
That's Bosch from the popular Amazon TV show, the Bosch you're thinking of is the clown that says "Honk Honk!" when telling a joke.
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I hate paying 5x for a German-made Bosch spare part for my car when I’m tired of the AliExpress quality lottery but I have to admit it’s one of the few hardware manufacturers I still think pretty highly of. They make Dremels too, right? I imported one of those at an extortionate price and haven’t regretted a single penny, reminds me of how old durable tools were built to actually last.
When I was a kid and you picked up something with a (for example) Sony logo on it, you know you were holding something that was at least relatively well made. Nowadays pretty much every single company gives me marrow-sucking quality-be-damned vibes. And come to think of it Bosch was not one of the companies I saw that way.
Disgusting how they’re treating their workers (who I’m assuming are damn good at their job given how highly I think of Bosch’s stuff), but someone still needs to be doing that job.
I had their lawnmower and a vacuum and they were both pretty crappy.
They've started selling their brand to external manufacturers a while ago. A pretty strong sign where they've been headed.
That’s a shame. Never had any of their household appliances so I wouldn’t know. I’m mostly thinking about power tools, auto parts, and like those laser distance things.
I have their mower and vacuum, they're decent for what amount of plastic they're made of. The thing that keeps me switching from Bosch is their sparepart catalogue, one of the only brands that have ALL the spare parts for said vacuum. Why buy new when I can fix the old one?
Keep making those bike motors Mr. Bosch.
A friend of mine is a higher up and checks the numbers of plants and their productions. They found out that for certain plants numbers were not verifiable. They saw this coming. There is mismanagement in plants here, and plants that don't really make anything, but try to fake their numbers. But we're talking about plants that technically have good potential either, but have the wrong focus, at least that's what my friend believes. I'm not surprised this happened.
I'm keeping this message intentionally vague to protect my friend.
I didn’t even realize Bosch was involved with autos, but apparently:
Bosch − the world's biggest auto supplier, making everything from braking and steering systems to sensors
They're huge. And a significant part of their portfolio is specific to combustion engines.
Not the reason for the layoffs.
German automakers are driving consumers to other companies, thanks to poor reliability and genius ideas like subscriptions for features. They make too many similar models, all overpriced and none reliable. Buyers are fed up.
That itself is more of a symptom than the root cause.
I'll take, "What is the root cause?" for a million ruples, Alex
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I see, hence the layoffs.
A fuel pump is colloquially called a boschpump here. Even when its not made by bosch, they'll tell you your boschpump is bad.
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