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[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 123 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Talk about a poisoned gift...

Nobody wants gifts from Israel, but Ukraine desperately needs the hardware.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't...

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This is not a "poisoned gift". I would argue it's inappropriate to use the term in this context.

We don't have any other option. Considering the situation it would be absurd to not accept the Patriot systems. Hopefully the PAC-2's will be upgraded by the Americans to newer variants to better deal will "regular" ballistic missiles and the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.

[–] pootzapie@lemy.lol 31 points 2 days ago (5 children)

For real, who can judge them for this

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[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, that's why it's potentially poison. Ukraine had no other option than to take it. No one will blame them.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I still don't see how transfer of Patriot systems from Israel is akin to taking a poisoned gift. In context of the idiom, this doesn't make sense.

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago

Honestly I’d rather Ukraine have them than Israel. Am I supposed to be mad that they’ve micro-disarmed by doing this? Fuck no that’s a bit less firepower in Israel’s hands

Keep going! We love your charity Israel, give it ALL to Ukraine! 🥴

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[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

The comments here ought to be fun. What a shitshow we have made of this planet.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Netanyahu is very friendly with Putin. I don't know if I would trust that gift personally.

[–] tal@olio.cafe 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I expect that that means that Israel isn't too worried about incoming ballistic missiles from Iran at this point, or they'd probably be hanging onto it.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

More likely that the batteries are outdated for their standards.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and/or they want field data from the real world conditions they're being used in.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

The PAC2 will be upgraded by the Americans before being sent to Ukraine.

Don't get me wrong, America is of course leveraging our data on take down of russian missile (and literally everything else related to the russian military) and this data is shared with Israel

There is no need to make conspiracy theories, this was already happening even before Ukraine recieved the first upgraded Israeli PAC2 Patriot system.

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