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Obligatory: I didn't technically learned of it "today", I was like 6-7 years old when I was in I think Grade 1/2 when they started doing that, I didn't know what it was called at the time, nor understood its significance; to me, it was basically seemed like just another ritual similar to lunar new years when people prayed to dieties. I left with my parents to the United States soon after.

Then about like a few months ago, Lemmy discussions about US Autocratization brought up those memories again so I looked it up and and briefly skimmed it. Today I read it again in more details.

Excerpts:

During the Cultural Revolution, and especially during the Mao Zedong era, joining the Young Pioneers was practically mandatory; although not mandatory today, it is still required in primary and secondary schools. However, the subjects taught are more about how Mao Zedong founded the country or how China rose.

Young Pioneers consist of children between the ages of six and fourteen; upon reaching the age of fourteen, members automatically exit the Young Pioneers and may optionally go on to join the Communist Youth League.

Most elementary school students are Young Pioneers by the time they graduate from grade school. Most of the schools require students of the right age to become Young Pioneers. As of the end of 2023, the number of registered Young Pioneers in China is 114.807 million.

Young Pioneers are immersed in CCP ideology and wear red scarves as a symbol of their commitment. Joining the Young Pioneers is seen as a normal part of growing up, a rite of passage, or a social expectation in China.

The red scarf (Chinese: 红领巾; pinyin: hónglǐngjīn) is the only uniform item. Young Pioneers are often referred to simply as "Red Scarves"; the investiture ceremony often consists of new members having their scarves tied for them by existing members. Children wearing red scarves are a ubiquitous sight in China.

Ah yes this red scarf shit. This is the part the I remember the most, cuz that scarf was annoying as fuck. Its basically like the "ties" (like you know the ties of a western suit? those ties) teens in US Highschools have to wear. Very annoying. I never complied with the tie policy when I was in highschool in the US, I would've also try to disregard it had I remained in China. Its not even about the disagreement with the politics, I fucking hate authority (whomever they may be) telling me to wear a uniform, especially these red scarfs (China) and ties (US), like it makes my neck feel so uncomfortable. (But yes, in hindsight, also fuck the politics that the red scarf represents.)

Young Pioneers must salute when raising and lowering the national flag

Lol, are schools military academies?

The Young Pioneers pledge is:
Chinese: 我是中国少年先锋队队员。我在队旗下宣誓:我热爱中国共产党,热爱祖国,热爱人民,好好学习,好好锻炼,准备着:为共产主义事业贡献力量。
Translation: I am a member of the Young Pioneers of China. Under the Flag of the Young Pioneers I swear: I will love the Communist Party of China, the motherland, and the people; I will study hard, strengthen myself [lit. exercise well], and prepare thus: to contribute my strength to the cause of communism.

🤔 Sounds familiar, my fellow Americans? Oh yea, pledge of allegience. 👀

Why does nationalism always have the same patterns?

Making kids do pledges is so fucking creepy...

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[–] j4k3@piefed.world 21 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Try growing up in Tennessee. We had all the bullshit about the US civil war constantly shoved at us. The fuckers lasted 4 years of rebellion for the right to rape black women at will and free labor from the men, but you'd swear these worthless right wing fucks were gods of honor and glory. Nearly everyone in school was bored and rolling eyes at the nonsense.

Conservative inbreds are fuckwits everywhere. It doesn't matter if it is bum fuck nowhere in China Russia, Africa, or Alabama. You go to bum fuck nowhere, and you're going to find backwards fuckwits that are scared of everything unfamiliar and different than themselves, too narcissistic to admit their own ignorance, and too stupid to spark curiosity and learn something new.

I'm smart enough to know I'd fuck a girl in every one of these places, so I better try and be open and nice to them all, but what do I know, I'm just another fuckwit.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah the daily pledge of allegiance in school, a moment of silence ever Monday, and then you have the Texas pledge of allegiance if you live in Texas.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago

Texas pledge of allegiance

The fuck?

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 15 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

我热爱中国共产党(I will love the Communist Party of China)

Well kids, you will only love the CCP because there's no other political party for you to back.

Edit: at least the US doesn't make you say you will love the Republican Party or Democratic Party.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

It absolutely does, just try voting for a third party, and it never really will achieve enough votes.

Plus the fact that there's a party whip is autocratic by itself, imo.

Also, China does have other parties than the CCP. Though it's most likely just there for show... just like the US Dems and Reps both backing the oligarchs.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

China only has "grandfathered-in" parties and does not allow new parties to form.

A system which makes it difficult is not as bad as a system which makes it illegal.

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 3 points 7 hours ago

Just the mention of third parties will make liberals seethe and already blame you for the next lost election.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 12 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

So is it kind of like state-run Boy Scouts?

Also, what US highschoers wear ties? I thought that was just private schools.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean I can't say what school because that feels kinda like self-doxing. Its a public school in a liberal city. Is school uniforms not the norm? I guess I just got unlucky and had administrators that love to powertrip and enforce some stupid uniforn policy. I know of a school in the same school district that does not have uniforms at all (or so I've heard).

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Huh. I believe you, just didn't know ties were also part of public school uniforms. Maybe it's an East Coast thing?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

East coast....? This post is about China

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Because in the post I made a comparison between the red scarfs and the ties that some schools in the US made you wear.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Oh no China has infiltrated our schools!

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm not sure what the BSA has to do with promoting the CCP.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 11 points 9 hours ago

Not only China, they had it in East Germany too and in the Soviet union and other communist countries:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_movement

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

That would explain why they all repeat the same propaganda talking points.

[–] lucullus@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe someone has more history knowledge than Wikipedia in this case: Were the Young Pioneers inspired by the Scouts movement, which was startet 1908 by Baden Powell? Or more by nationalist youth groups that followed them (like the Hitler Youth in germany took the traditions of scouts and the wandervogel groups and contorted them into violent nationalism)? Is there any connection?

[–] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago

There does not need to be any connection. Any state that has a specific ideology that it pushes on its people will be concerned with making sure that new generations follow it. And the earlier you start to do it, the most effective it will be. That's like priority #1. Typically it's done through controlling the kids' school (or even pre-school) curriculum, so that certain societal values and appropriate attitude to major historical events are instilled. These "youth groups" are for most suspectible kids with cooperative parents to instill extra loyalty and encourage them to fully participate in and uphold the system that the state created.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Most likely inspired by the Young Pioneers of the USSR, which existed since 1922

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 49 minutes ago

That was inspired by (or rather competed with) Scouts

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

All fascist countries have used this tactics, for ages.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It was normal for my parents though by the time they left school nobody took the Komsomol seriously anymore.

Also at least in the USSR, being a Young Pioneer was mostly about alliegance to peace, solidarity, and friendship between the peoples of this world.
The unspeakable horrors of educating children to love not only their neighbours but all peoples regardless of ethnicity, to fight for peace, and to help their community and those in need. 😱😱😱

Interesting video about Soviet cartoons with a segment on the pioneers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgA6EGMuGCM