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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 96 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The performance was held at the Paradiso Grote Zaal. The venue released a statement on Sunday saying it “believed in the power of artistic freedom”.

“Music – and especially punk – is an art form that traditionally magnifies anger, discontent, and injustice without a filter,” it said.

“In a world on fire, artists sometimes choose language that sounds confrontational or violent.”

Addressing the singer’s calls for the death of IDF troops, the venue said it shared “the outrage and concern surrounding the genocidal violence taking place in Gaza” and that “Bob Vylan’s raising his voice against this is legitimate and necessary”.

Punk has always been anti-fascist because fascists and punks compete for the same follower base, and overlap is unavoidable unless one side draws a very hard line about what's acceptable.

The fascists want to be able to say whatever they want under 1st amendment, but have always lost their shit when people say the same shit about fascists the fascists say about innumerable target demographics.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 43 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"death death to the idf" =/= "death to idf troops"

and i'm tired of outlets reporting on it like it is. the man was saying the idf is a criminal organization that needs to be resisted and disbanded. yeah, that's gonna result in some fighting because the idf are a violent and vile organization of oppressors, but in the context, "death death to the idf" is the only reasonable stance…

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Has he clarified? Death is specifically a thing that happens to individuals, not organizations, so it does not read this way to me.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 hours ago

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Death is not specific to individuals.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 hours ago

IDF is an org though, and he said death to that. it reads pretty clearly as bing about bringing about an end to the org to me an. the other read relies too heavily on a dictionary definition than on the types of allegory rappers engage in. but as you said, maybe that's just me

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 38 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

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DONT MOCK TOO HARD OR YOURE CENSORED

Anyways, only good nazi is feeding sunflowers.

[–] CrazyHorse@lemmy.cafe 31 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Another source: https://www.dutchnews.nl/2025/09/protest-and-palestine-centre-stage-at-bob-vylan-paradiso-show/

Their upcoming concert at 013 (Tilburg, this Tuesday) has been cancelled over this: https://nos.nl/artikel/2582452-poppodium-013-schrapt-show-bob-vylan-na-gewelddadige-uitspraken-in-paradiso

Edit: Their upcoming concert at Doornroosje (Nijmegen, this Monday) has not (yet?) been cancelled.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Wow magats are some fucking snowflakes

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Since this takes place in the Netherlands it's not magats this time, but our own, locally sourced nazis

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I imagine those people also agree with maga

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

They don't necessarily want America to be great, but otherwise yes

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Great !== Great

Great means… basically handmaids tale, in a nutshell.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Racists are just tools of the super rich using them, religious, the ignorant disaffected, etc.

After they consolidate power they will be relegated with the rest of the population. They are being used because they are ill-informed, but they are not the ones pulling the strings, not the ones calling and running the plays here. It is moneyed interests doing that

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

100%. just like every time. ethnic strife is just a tool of the oppressor

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago

As a Mangione inspired billboard in Portland said, I think with a picture of part of mangione's face, don't look left or right, look up.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 hours ago

American MAGAs also don't really want American greatness if it involves immigrants, minorities, or liberals having a good life there. Their love of America and goals for its greatness are VERY selective, all the way to founding values like freedom of speech, separation of powers, and separation of church and state.

It's really just fascism. And fascism, for all its claims to be country-first, is an international reactionary effort.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 12 hours ago

They’re all the same bad faith pieces of shit regardless of the names they go by. Sorry you have to deal with these Nazi fucks too, comrade

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago

look at r/conservative, so much copium going on.

[–] detren@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

Absolutely based Paradiso and shameful 013.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 13 hours ago
[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

Lynch your leaders.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 hours ago
[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

Hey Charlie have you heard this one? *bang!

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Good for them.

[–] Frog@lemmy.ca 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

A pogrom is a violent riot incited with the aim of massacring or expelling an ethnic or religious group, usually applied to attacks on Jews.

Wikipedia: Pogrom

I never seen this word before. I'm going to post it here just in case you haven't either.

[–] raef@lemmy.world -2 points 3 hours ago

Good you learned a new word, but maybe take it as a sign you need to read more history

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So? There is a lot of people who did the same here on lemmy

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 10 points 13 hours ago

And those people are quality people