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cross-posted from: https://ibbit.at/post/52938

The company behind the Proton Mail email service, Proton, describes itself as a “neutral and safe haven for your personal data, committed to defending your freedom.”

But last month, Proton disabled email accounts belonging to journalists reporting on security breaches of various South Korean government computer systems following a complaint by an unspecified cybersecurity agency. After a public outcry, and multiple weeks, the journalists’ accounts were eventually reinstated — but the reporters and editors involved still want answers on how and why Proton decided to shut down the accounts in the first place.

Martin Shelton, deputy director of digital security at the Freedom of the Press Foundation, highlighted that numerous newsrooms use Proton’s services as alternatives to something like Gmail “specifically to avoid situations like this,” pointing out that “While it’s good to see that Proton is reconsidering account suspensions, journalists are among the users who need these and similar tools most.” Newsrooms like The Intercept, the Boston Globe, and the Tampa Bay Times all rely on Proton Mail for emailed tip submissions.

Shelton noted that perhaps Proton should “prioritize responding to journalists about account suspensions privately, rather than when they go viral.”

On Reddit, Proton’s official account stated that “Proton did not knowingly block journalists’ email accounts” and that the “situation has unfortunately been blown out of proportion.” Proton did not respond to The Intercept’s request for comment.

The two journalists whose accounts were disabled were working on an article published in the August issue of the long-running hacker zine Phrack. The story described how a sophisticated hacking operation — what’s known in cybersecurity parlance as an APT, or advanced persistent threat — had wormed its way into a number of South Korean computer networks, including those of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the military Defense Counterintelligence Command, or DCC.

The journalists, who published their story under the names Saber and cyb0rg, describe the hack as being consistent with the work of Kimsuky, a notorious North Korean state-backed APT sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department in 2023.

As they pieced the story together, emails viewed by The Intercept show that the authors followed cybersecurity best practices and conducted what’s known as responsible disclosure: notifying affected parties that a vulnerability has been discovered in their systems prior to publicizing the incident.

Saber and cyb0rg created a dedicated Proton Mail account to coordinate the responsible disclosures, then proceeded to notify the impacted parties, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the DCC, and also notified South Korean cybersecurity organizations like the Korea Internet and Security Agency, and KrCERT/CC, the state-sponsored Computer Emergency Response Team. According to emails viewed by The Intercept, KrCERT wrote back to the authors, thanking them for their disclosure.

A note on cybersecurity jargon: CERTs are agencies consisting of cybersecurity experts specializing in dealing with and responding to security incidents. CERTs exist in over 70 countries — with some countries having multiple CERTs each specializing in a particular field such as the financial sector — and may be government-sponsored or private organizations. They adhere to a set of formal technical standards, such as being expected to react to reported cybersecurity threats and security incidents. A high-profile example of a CERT agency in the U.S. is the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency, which has recently been gutted by the Trump administration.

A week after the print issue of Phrack came out, and a few days before the digital version was released, Saber and cyb0rg found that the Proton account they had set up for the responsible disclosure notifications had been suspended. A day later, Saber discovered that his personal Proton Mail account had also been suspended. Phrack posted a timeline of the account suspensions at the top of the published article, and later highlighted the timeline in a viral social media post. Both accounts were suspended owing to an unspecified “potential policy violation,” according to screenshots of account login attempts reviewed by The Intercept.

The suspension notice instructed the authors to fill out Proton’s abuse appeals form if they believed the suspension was in error. Saber did so, and received a reply from a member of Proton Mail’s Abuse Team who went by the name Dante.

In an email viewed by The Intercept, Dante told Saber that their account “has been disabled as a result of a direct connection to an account that was taken down due to violations of our terms and conditions while being used in a malicious manner.” Dante also provided a link to Proton’s terms of service, going on to state, “We have clearly indicated that any account used for unauthorized activities, will be sanctioned accordingly.” The response concluded by stating, “We consider that allowing access to your account will cause further damage to our service, therefore we will keep the account suspended.”

On August 22, a Phrack editors reached out to Proton, writing that no hacked data was passed through the suspended email accounts, and asked if the account suspension incident could be deescalated. After receiving no response from Proton, the editor sent a follow-up email on September 6. Proton once again did not reply to the email.

On September 9, the official Phrack X account made a post asking Proton’s official account asking why Proton was “cancelling journalists and ghosting us,” adding: “need help calibrating your moral compass?” The post quickly went viral, garnering over 150,000 views.

Proton’s official account replied the following day, stating that Proton had been “alerted by a CERT that certain accounts were being misused by hackers in violation of Proton’s Terms of Service. This led to a cluster of accounts being disabled. Our team is now reviewing these cases individually to determine if any can be restored.” Proton then stated that they “stand with journalists” but “cannot see the content of accounts and therefore cannot always know when anti-abuse measures may inadvertently affect legitimate activism.”

Proton did not publicly specify which CERT had alerted them, and didn’t answer The Intercept’s request for the name of the specific CERT which had sent the alert. KrCERT also did not reply to The Intercept’s question about whether they were the CERT that had sent the alert to Proton.

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Later in the day, Proton’s founder and CEO Andy Yen posted on X that the two accounts had been reinstated. Neither Yen nor Proton explained why the accounts had been reinstated, whether they had been found to not violate the terms of service after all, why had they been suspended in the first place, or why a member of the Proton Abuse Team reiterated that the accounts had violated the terms of service during Saber’s appeals process.

Phrack noted that the account suspensions created a “real impact to the author. The author was unable to answer media requests about the article.” The co-authors, Phrack pointed out, were also in the midst of the responsible disclosure process and working together with the various affected South Korean organizations to help fix their systems. “All this was denied and ruined by Proton,” Phrack stated.

Phrack editors said that the incident leaves them “concerned what this means to other whistleblowers or journalists. The community needs assurance that Proton does not disable accounts unless Proton has a court order or the crime (or ToS violation) is apparent.”

The post Proton Mail Suspended Journalist Accounts at Request of Cybersecurity Agency appeared first on The Intercept.


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[–] artyom@piefed.social 296 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The author omitted the complete statement from Reddit:

Hi everyone,

No, Proton did not knowingly block journalists’ email accounts. Our support for journalists and those working in the public interest has been demonstrated time and again through actions, not just words.

In this case, we were alerted by a CERT that certain accounts were being misused by hackers in violation of Proton’s Terms of Service. This led to a cluster of accounts being disabled.

Because of our zero-access architecture, we cannot see the content of accounts and therefore cannot always know when anti-abuse measures may inadvertently affect legitimate activism.

Our team has reviewed these cases individually to determine if any can be restored. We have now reinstated 2 accounts, but there are other accounts we cannot reinstate due to clear ToS violations.

Regarding Phrack’s claim on contacting our legal team 8 times: this is not true. We have only received two emails to our legal team inbox, last one on Sep 6 with a 48-hour deadline. This is unrealistic for a company the size of Proton, especially since the message was sent to our legal team inbox on a Saturday, rather than through the proper customer support channels.

The situation has unfortunately been blown out of proportion without giving us a fair chance to respond to the initial outreach.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 2 days ago

How dare you provide context in an online discussion thread!

(/s for the challenged)

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So, if say, Saudi Arabia's CERT tells them to block a list of reporters accounts, they will gladly do it without demanding any evidence?

[–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You block then investigate yes.

Just like every other company in existence does it, since the first thing you want to do is stop continued spread/misuse.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're also arrested when suspected of a crime. If it turns out you were innocent, they will let you go.

First response: stop everything to prevent possible malicious/criminal activity. Then investigate to see if it was the right call. If it was, nice. If it wasn't: "sorry bud, just doing our jobs. Have a nice day."

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[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The review only happen AFTER Phrack publicly complained on Twitter about it and a 150k people saw it, not before.

This is not the first time Proton drops the ball massively and then spins a tale to save their name.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago

You can blame them for being slow but I don't think you can reasonably assert that they're malicious, which I think is the implication.

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[–] bigchunga@feddit.online 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Still shows that Proton suspended the accounts because some CERTS told them to. That's not a court order.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah I mean what's the alternative? Just allowing ALL Proton accounts to continue to be abusive until proven otherwise? How do you think that would impact not only the company but also the users/customers of that company? They were temporarily suspended, and reinstated after investigation.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

They were temporarily suspended, and reinstated after investigation.

Would this sequence of events have happenned if it was an average joe nobody cared about, rather than a public outcry?

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[–] bigchunga@feddit.online 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In the past Proton stated that they only act on claims from legitimate law enforcement with a court order. Now they acted on some organizations request. If Protons own mechanisms for detecting malicious use trigger, yeah, they should suspend the account and investigate further, but not from a third party that has zero authority.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 85 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

This seems like more of a mistake than a sign of malicious or misaligned intention. Proton publish their stats about data requests, how many they comply with how many they fight and how many they win. They fight a majority of them probably more than most other companies.

The CEO needs to go. His 'republicans fight for the little guy' comments are so toxic and will get brought up everytime something like this happens and its hard to trust a company that has that kind of a person running it.

[–] shifty@leminal.space 35 points 2 days ago (5 children)

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

There's a lot more nuance to it than just 'Proton CEO supports Trump (and therefore all of Trump's policies)'

From the comments: "Andy's statement was to recognise the choice of the Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust division at DOJ. This is someone who has history of going after tech monopolies and allowing room for the little guys (startups) to have a fair chance to grow and innovate. This was not a political endorsement."

And at the very least the CEO controversy reveals all the issues with America's two party Sith or Jedi system, there's no room for nuance or discussion, just rage. Look at all the other top comments here.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

I know i am well aware of what happened. I dont think hes a right winger but this take was so far off reality it was alarming. Go read through the reddit thread where people push him to defend his statement and he cant.

In my most charitable interpretation of the situation he is symapthic to the right wing narative at a time where any sane person shouldnt have been. I'm still a proton subscriber but Idk if I will renew in december.

[–] shifty@leminal.space 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have similar conflicted feelings after being a long time Visionary Subscriber.

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[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That article is such bullshit. That anonymously submitted medium article that gets floated around ignores Internet Association, so wouldn’t be shocking if it was from proton attempting to do PR damage fixating on identity politics with intentional omission of Internet Association involvement.

Yen conveniently ignored that after working at the FTC, Slater become the vice-president for legal and regulatory policy for the Internet Association lobby group. Which was founded by “small business” like Google, Amazon, eBay and Facebook.

And involved in trying to infringe upon privacy rights. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/lawmakers-must-not-let-internet-association-weaken-california-consumer-privacy-act

So yeah, proton founder cherry picked information that tried to make it seem like it was acceptable to praise the pick when reality is the past is too murky to endorse in any manner.

Now seeing straight up bribing and gifts from corporations not even hiding it the whole thing aged like milk.

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[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The nuance seems to be that he made stupid partisan statements not because he is a partisan but because he is stupid. He profoundly misunderstands Trump and Republicans if he genuinely believes that nonsense. Its hard to trust someone with such terrible judgement, and its hard to trust Proton because they handled the situation so poorly.

[–] shifty@leminal.space 6 points 2 days ago

Agreed on the stupidity. He should have had PR running his accounts or at least approving his posts. But now that the cat is out of the bag I'm really conflicted about being a Proton Visionary subscriber, and try to use other services like Filen, Cryptpad, Bitwarden, Aegis, etc, so I'm not all concentrated on Proton like I was on Google Suite.

I just made a Tuta mail account for if I do decide to move away from Proton.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

There is no nuance in American politics. Only tribal culture wars. You're team red or team blue. Simple as. Something good? Claim your team. Something bad? Blame the other team. That being said, Andy is not American.

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Quite damning of Proton, but unfortunately isn't too surprising after the CEO's pro-trump comments.

~~I would say they have proven themselves untrustworthy and mostly concerned with profit-seeking, and would suggest moving to alternatives if you use their services.~~

Mullvad is a solid VPN (Tor is better), and Posteo, Tuta, or Disroot are good email providers (don't use email for anything sensitive, private providers only give protection against survailence capitalism).

EDIT: With more context provided by @artyom@piefed.social, this recent action by them was, perhaps, not as cut and dry as it seemed. (Though I still am skeptical of their integrity, personally)

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There aren't many VPN providers that have port forwarding and allow P2P. Proton is about the only choice if you want to seed.

Air VPN has port forwarding, been using them for years.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unless something has changed, I believe Windscribe also allows port forwarding.

AirVPN does as well, but as they are based in Italy, I think they may have to comply with the new Italian VPN anti-piracy law enacted there.

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[–] hisao@ani.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Early this month my Proton subscription ended. Instead of paying for one year more I decided to rent a VPS for 20$ per year (my Proton subscription costs 80$ per year now). It took 4 hours to setup wireguard server, configure port forwarding and update my clientside stuff accordingly. So far I've transferred 1.7 TB of data through this VPS (in a bit less than 2 weeks). It might be slightly slower than some Proton VPN servers, but it's still very fast and decent enough for me. It's easier than it seems and you get much lower prices, decent speeds, and more flexibility. You need to be a bit careful with VPS selection though: country where it's hosted, their bandwidth and hardware.

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[–] shifty@leminal.space 15 points 2 days ago

Their recruitment practices are also profit-seeking. Job applications require your salary expectations and they don't post their salary range.

[–] Funky_Beak@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Proton have always reaked. Given some real nordvpn pia vibes. My hot take is: Mailbox, Filen, Mullvad,local dns, Run containerised cloned vms and burn after use. All in one solutions keep biting me in the arse.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The reality is the only option you'll have (for those asking for alternatives) is self hosting, if you're worried about things like this. Eventually one of them may get compromised or emshitified.

Tuta, for example, is in Germany. All it takes is one election where the AfD wins and now Tuta is compromised. Either you'll be hopping around continuously, or you settle for the best possible option, or you self host.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because email is federated self hosting doesn’t matter.

Sure you aren’t going to lose your email but 90% of it is going to be hosted by Microsoft/Google so those companies can block your email and it’s akin to being frozen.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So the shoe finally drops!

I have been mocking Proton users for years now. Buying privacy from a corporation that openly cooperates with governments was asinine.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Anyone who genuinely thought that privacy was going to be perfect was an idiot. But they're going to be better than Gmail and they are. The only way to achieve any type of true privacy would be to start up your own Data Center , run your own email , and then be the one that's dealing with the government knocking on your door. Have fun with that.

Put frankly privacy on the internet does not exist and anyone that thinks it's achievable on the modern internet is honestly an idiot. We can only select the least shitty option there is no good option. And the problem is even that is a moving Target I'm not going to keep changing my email provider every couple years to whatever the new current popular privacy option is.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everything related to privacy and security requires as a fundamental premise that you select your threat model. Who are you? What data do you want to protect? From whom, and how bad would it be to fail?

Most people skip this step, and then keep acting either surprised or over/under reacting to any given news. There are people out there that can't use email - regardless of who hosts what. There are people out there that would be fine with Gmail.

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Proton doing another shady thing?

Colour me surprised!

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been using Proton for some years but I'll lost trust in almost all email providers even the ones that I use. They simply can't be trusted. Email was not created with privacy and security in mind. Self-hosting is your only safe option. Tuta and Posteo are suitable alternatives.

[–] philosloppy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Self-hosting is your only safe option

but then nobody gets your emails because you aren't one of the big boy domains.

Email was not designed for the modern internet and not just on the security front. But we just kept beating at it with a hammer until it was a vaguely square shaped peg and put it in the hole anyways.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Tuta is German so it cannot be trusted since Germany is on the brink of fascism. supposedly can’t search message bodys in tuta either.

Proton is, well, proton.

Self hosting gets blocked everywhere. Since I have my own domain, I’m finding even my Proton address gets blocked a lot.

So wtf am I supposed to do? Has the industry been successful in corporatizing and controlling email now?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If your own domain is being blocked, you’re likely misconfiguring DMARC/DKIM/SPF on the domain.

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[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Finally broke down this week and moved to Tuta mail, but I almost gave Proton a trial run first. After Yen's last fumble, I felt the need to dodge a bullet. What timing.

[–] TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm too invested to hop providers right now, and I don't know if I have the spoons to self host.

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[–] NotForYourStereo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Proton is poisoned. Stop using it.

They are not the alternative to mega technofascist companies. They are one of them. Everybody was hand-waving the Trump support, "well, that Andy guy isn't DIRECTLY involved with this or that, so it's fine" but it's not.

Stop using and stop recommending it.

[–] unabart@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everything is now paywalled and absolutely none of it is worth jumping through the extra hoops to read. That said, thanks for posting the content in here.

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