That sounds like the average conversation of a group of guys on their 3rd beer on a Friday afternoon.
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Pass the bong.
Or a bunch of morons who have completely lost touch with reality on account of having unchallenged absolute power for far too long.
What being rich and alienated from real people does to a MF.
You see the same thing with silicon valley ceos.
Who also think they're going to be immortal.
Yeah although these guys have access to an unlimited supply of freshly harvested organs which puts a different spin on it.
I hope they try it. At their age recovering from major surgery will be a breeze. I wish I was on immune suppressants for the rest of my life. Oh and don't forget another surgery when the organ fails! Sounds like immortality to me
Even better, you know these guys love their Scotch. Lets see how long they can go without indulging after they get that new liver
You never know. Friend of mine had a liver transplant and was completely off the immunosuppressants in 18 months, never took 'em again.
Apart from the fact that your brain ages too and it's 100% irreplaceable, the main issue with turning yourself into the human Ship of Theseus is that you're going to be on immunosuppressant drugs forever.
I guess if you were a monster you could raise clones of yourself to adulthood and then murder them for their body parts. This doesn't solve the problem of some parts not being reasonably replaceable, but it could protect you from some organ failures.
There are current studies about growing entire organs in a lab environment using 3D printed scaffolding and stem cells harvested from the patient, so the final product is 100% compatible and eliminates the need for immunosuppressants.
Still a few decades out for human testing imo but they'd be the first in line.
If we figure that out, artificial blood (which is already making good progress) and finally a way to regenerate brain cells without causing massive brain tumors we can extend life considerably, probably closer to 200 years on extreme cases.
Or, at least, making it to 110 while still having a good quality of life, basically making 100 the new 60.
Lol, lmfao
They can't even give us a relatively nontoxic living environment and adaptive and responsive nutrition plans
Not to mention there has NEVER been a patient who has had MULTIPLE 3D printed organ transplants, let alone continuous transplants PRN (the suture sites are going to be dissolving scar tissue). And that 3D printed organs are extremely complicated especially depending on which one is being built, with their own cellular memory including circadian rhythm and local homeostasis.
Not to mention that merely transplanting an organ does not mean the patient will have adequate neurochemicals or enzymes or receptors to carry out the processes needed to support these organs, regardless of supplementation
Like certain conditions, at end of life, oppose each other especially in treatment. Eg congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and kidney failure all interfere and interact with each other. Assuming you could successfully perform a lung, heart, and kidney transplant in a geriatric patient, whose to say their veings, connective tissue, ureters, etc won't prolapse or blow out from all the pressure and new stressers?
This shit isn't as easy as they want to claim (maybe they want to taunt Trump with immortality), but if they want to be the guinea pigs for it, let them ig - that's the most ethical thing they could do with this, is experiment on themselves and take the consequences.
I think if ALL, literally ALL of your other organs were functioning great, then it is unlikely your brain will deterioriate by itself randomly. Your body is constantly repairing itself, that's why we are able to live so long.
But like, are they REALLY going to transplant things like the thymus? Can they even do that? Adrenal glands, parathyroid glands, thyroid, kidneys, livers, pancreas - idk man, I do not see these people getting all these organs replaced. That is an INSANE bodily experiment that has never truly been tested, let alone with lab grown organs (as Xi or Putin suggested), let alone in elderly and delicate subjects. We can't even pull off natural looking facelifts in most subjects.
Adding in organs with different ages and donors also means they also may have increased loads on their remaining old aged organs too. Everything works together and donor organs can have a different circadian rhythm, let alone different genes which means different reactions to stimuli. Not to mention currently the most likely situation for organ transplant would be gene editing animal organs - again, experimental and never done on multiple organs. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/first-genetically-edited-pig-kidney-transplanted-human
Like managing multiple organ rejections in a 90yr old seeking immortality sounds like a joke of a case for any health care provider.
But please, someone convince both those men to get multiple organs transplanted ASAP
Ever read House of the Scorpion? It predicted this exact situation yeaaaaars ago, good read too
In china, heart surgeon, number 1!...
Oh is he doing experiments on Uyghur people
You know, its crazy how many times I've heard this rumor floated relative to the very real organ harvesting business that's been happening in Israel since the 1990s
More than one country can be bad. Israel is very bad. China is also very bad.
I was going to say there was no actual evidence, but huh, I actually fell for some of the tankie lies after enough time. China's deputy health minister Huang Jiefu repeatedly publicly acknowledged that most organ transplants came from death row inmates, and separately China was exporting organs to south korea on a massive scale prior to 2007.
(though it's notable that this has not been connected to the Uyghur situation specifically)
(Also noting that it's Israel claimed to end the practice in 2000, while China claimed to end the practice in 2015)
sources pre-emptively posted: the guardian, (old) beijing times, zhenhua.163.com, der spiegel
So it's likely
us as in literally "the two of us". fucking hell, die already and stop leeching
These people are idiots, because that's definitely not how aging works. But please go through all the organ transplants, it will just kill you both and do the world a big favor.
Intelligence isn't required of these people and I doubt anyone in that room could explain telomere shortening and aging at a molecular level.
You cant do a brain transplant from a clone and be the same person even. Just megalomaniacs who care nothing for anyone but themselves.
It's weird because Xi is a chemical engineer. Putin and Kim I understand being gullible and clueless about scientific matters but I don't expect the same from Xi.
Never underestimate a scientists, especially an engineers ability to arrogantly misuse and misunderstand science outside of their specific area of practical experience.
This ^
Having a PhD does not automatically mean you know what you’re talking about outside your field lol.
smart people are wrong sometimes
issac newton thought he could synthesize a philosophers stone
Xi responded to the idea that you can achieve immortality by saying that it may be possible for someone to live to 150 years this century, which is not totally unrealistic if we make some advances in medical science
“Peter Thiel on the line for you, Vladimir”
I honestly believe people could live to 150 within the next century and if organ transplants are part of it it will either be due to cloning or far better control of the immune system than we have now. I don't expect those advances to be soon enough to help either of these guys, no matter how much money they have.
I honestly believe people could live to 150 within the next century
It's a fun and easy thing to believe. Significantly harder to accomplish.
I don’t expect those advances to be soon enough to help either of these guys
They've already benefited substantively from the last 70 years of health technology. And I wouldn't be surprised of Xi, in particular, is enjoying some knock-on effects of being the head of state in a nation that's on the cutting edge of medical research.
But there's a huge difference between "living to 100" and "being a functional adult at age 100". Xi's already pushing the line in his 70s and should have been queuing up a successor two terms ago. Putin's in it even worse, having trotted out Medeved and watched him flop in front of Parliament back in... what? 2008? Now he's got the tiger by the tail as he coasts into his own golden years.
The fact that the US is floundering amidst its own techno-fascist gerentocracy should be a giant alarm bell for every other national government. You can't just stack the fate of your country on whether Chucks Grassley and Schumer can maintain a pulse indefinitely. But I guess when its your turn in the big chair, its easy to think you'll live forever.
I would expect nothing or much more than 150. You only live as long as the weakest links in your body. Solving one isn't going to get ypu to 150. And if you solve enpugh to get to 150, you should live a lot longer.
Gross. Absolutely gross. Powerful old people are already living too long.
I mean, ok. Fine. Let's see how they handle graft vs host disease.
Can you imagine the suffering of being an organ donor clone of one of these dictators? That's some scifi level of hell.
Okay, just because you think can live that long physically doesn't mean you'll be there mentally. You can do all these transplants to keep your body going, but I don't think we've figured out how to replace the brain without killing someone since I doubt healthy living and organ transplants are gonna keep the brain healthy enough to be mentally fit to do much of anything.
Also, I personally wouldn't want people like them to be living that long.
With an unlimited amount of power and resources, I wouldn’t be surprised if some people have clones or their kids that never meant to live, just grow up in a happy farm that one day will get their organs harvested and blood taken. Like Horcruxes. No immune rejection. I don’t see why they can’t live 150 years with that.
I don’t see why they can’t live 150 years with that.
The reason is typically measured in caliber.
Its a meee
Given that there’s not really a solution yet to a brain degenerative desease(?) - not looking forward to a dictator in power with one of those kicking around for an additional 50+ years.
Cyberpunk timeline.
Truly walking bags of cancer these people are.