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Iโ€™ve begun discontinuing many US services in favor of EU ones. However, Iโ€™ve noticed that some individuals, instead of simply ceasing to use American products, resorted to illegally downloading everything. While itโ€™s true that the money goes to the US when you pay, it canโ€™t justify disrespecting othersโ€™ hard work and effort while still consuming or using their products, and it is also illegal. This is especially true considering that they likely donโ€™t have any direct connection to MAGA. This applies to actors, directors, YouTubers, and many others. We should simply cease using their products without giving them any further consideration.

Edit: adding to the last line, we should give instead more attention to locally and European made creations and products

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[โ€“] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I have started subscribing to services in Europe now. They have different content, but that is fine. I want Europe to have more TV shows and movies. The American ones I'll probably just pirate if I really really want to watch it. We'll see.

I am not a huge fan of IP and copyright in the first place, I see that it has a value, but don't like how long it lasts. There should be a reasonable time of 10-15 years or something, but not more in my opinion.

The legality is not an argument that works for me. The only thing that matters is ethics / morality.

At the moment I don't want to support American business, and that is more important to me. I have been a paying subscriber to several services for a long time, but no more.

I guess the question is if they have lost a "sale" / "subscriber" that they would have gotten if I did not have the opportunity to pirate.

I don't think they have, I would not want to pay if I had no other option either.

[โ€“] crazyminner@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

Always has been.

[โ€“] oldfart@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago

Always had been

[โ€“] Novamdomum@fedia.io -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[โ€“] Emperor@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

We've had big spikes in sign-ups recently, I don't want to discourage new people from being active posters.

[โ€“] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Piracy isn't stealing because you don't take the original away from the creator, you just create a copy which doesn't detract at all from the original copy. In fact, copyright is more a tool for stealing than piracy, as large corporations will get small creators to sign over the rights to the content they created, consolidating 'ownership' rights in the hands of a bunch of greedy corporations (Disney, Microsoft, etc) rather than the people that actually created them.

[โ€“] StrangeMed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I bet you wouldnโ€™t be happy if something you made and that youโ€™re trying to sell get copied and shared completely for free. Many people would use that without giving you a penny. It is not stealing in a stricter sense, but it would hurt your finances for sure.

I'm not a large company. As long as I'm credited appropriately I would be fine and hoping this newfound attention brings more customers to me to offset any "losses" from people who would have paid had they not pirated it.

As a real-life example, did you know that papers available on Sci-Hub receive statistically significantly more citations than those unavailable there? source

[โ€“] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't try to sell information. Physical products, services, support, sure. But you can't sell information which has no scarcity. Maybe you could pay for someone to create something they otherwise wouldn't have, but not for something that already exists.

[โ€“] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 month ago

To add (kinda what you said but from slightly different angle)

Intellectual property is a crime.

Just think about it, just because someone was first to fill the paper work for an idea means you have to ask their permission to express any similar idea you had yourself.

If you want to support creators there are other ways which are often more direct without middle men taking a cut.

[โ€“] RobotToaster@mander.xyz -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Not at all related, where can you find cheap hard drives in europe?

[โ€“] hellerphant@lemmy.cafe -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is something that I wrestle with. There are certain companies I donโ€™t want to spend money with, but I want to support the work and the crews who work on those things.

The argument is my money doesnโ€™t go to the crews. But my time spent watching adds to the metrics that gets these shows and albums greenlit, but ultimately it comes down to how you feel about those quandaries.

I make games for a living so I feel that supporting is best for me. If no one bought the games I worked on I couldnโ€™t feed my son. Instead Iโ€™m making more conscious decisions about where and how I spend my money. I just switched to Proton for my email, I use Kagi for search. I support teams I care about and support services I believe in. I buy games I want to play. I donโ€™t think too much about the other things.

If a show is not available in my country easily, I do pirate. Thatโ€™s kinda the only thing I pirate these days.

That's ironic, considering many people have recently been moving away from Proton due to the CEO's support for Trump

piracy is ethical with only small exceptions like when the content is produced by a low income author/artist

[โ€“] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Itโ€™s always ethical to steal from billionaires. The artists, actors, musicians, etc get paid by the production companies. When you pirate a TV show, that cast and crew has already been paid. Youโ€™re not stealing from the poor struggling stagehand; Youโ€™re stealing from the billion dollar corporation that paid them pennies and ensures theyโ€™re still struggling.

I think actual artists get virtually nothing from streaming services. If you find art that you do like, considering directly supporting the artists. For example, go to a musical artists live show or buy merch from their website. Iโ€™m sure their are better ideas out there.

[โ€“] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't forget that the EU Commission funded a report to document the impact of file sharing and then buried it when they found out that it was actually beneficial to the creators. So if you want to engage in file sharing, you're actually helping them.

Do what you will with that information. If you really want to boycott, then boycott the content altogether. If you can't hold back, then download them, but you're helping them out anyway by doing that.

The best thing you can do is support your local art scene and find better alternatives.

[โ€“] StrangeMed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The last line of the post is in accord with what you said

[โ€“] MudMan@fedia.io -1 points 1 month ago

Honestly, framing the whole thing as "disrespecting hard work and effort" sounds suspiciously like American anarchocapitalist nonsense.

Me watching or buying stuff is not a relationship and does not express support, respect or anything other than a commercial transaction. When I want to express support I express support (primarily by voting) and when I express disapproval I express disapproval (primarily by voting for people who will properly regulate your whole deal into submission).

I don't express myself with money, I express myself with political action, thank you very much.

[โ€“] nahostdeutschland@feddit.org -1 points 1 month ago

Look up how much money a band will make per stream from Spotify:

Spotify pays artists between $0.003 - $0.005 per stream on average. That works out as an approx revenue split of 70/30 - so thatโ€™s 70% to the artist/rights holders and 30% to Spotify. REMEMBER: The rights holders of a song can include; the publisher, songwriter and the master recording owners (i.e. the artist and/or label if theyโ€™re signed to one).

So if you listen to your favorite album with 10 tracks, the payout will earn $0.03- $0.05 and the artist has to split that, too. If you really like the album and listen to it 100 times, that will be $3-$5. So maybe go to a concert or buy a vinyl record and everybody will be better of. The impact of you pirating an album and listening to it 10 times is null