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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 134 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This makes sense if cruelty is the point.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cruelty, yes, but let's not forget grift.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

And cognitive dissonance. Gotta redraw those lines in the sand!

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Not just cruelty. Someone else in another thread pointed out this is exactly what you would do if you're afraid of a civil war. Now, you've got an easily defended government center, and a large amount of people out in the streets that any opposing force will have to fight through in order to get to any of the governmental buildings (though really, we're only caring about the WH). Additionally, you have an oceanfront escape route if shit goes poorly.

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s never about the cost. It’s always about the hate.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

Same as it ever was.

The Cruelty Is The Point.

They'd put all the money in a literal pile and set it on literal fire before they'd just help people who need the help.

If I had to characterize the US govt when it comes to helping its citizens I'd compare it to Immortan Joe.

Immortan Joe: Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!

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[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Can someone explain to me, seriously…

why is there no one with the authority to deem him unfit to govern, and demand that he step down under duress of consequences? I mean, he is clearly addled and his entire administration is provenly grifting America- Why is no one demanding that he step down?

This seriously is the end of the road for me when it comes to making enough sense of any of this that that at least resembles a modicum of logic and rationality. At this point, I just can’t understand anything beyond why this isn’t a thing, and if it is,

what are they waiting for?

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I keep seeing Americans post things like this. There's no one coming to save you.

The American people are the ones who need to be making those demands. The government should fear the people, not the other way around. Isn't this scenario exactly why there's the second amendment?

Sorry to say that this problem has been allowed to progress to the point where it will be neither convenient nor easy to solve. It's going to take consistent collective action.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 12 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, but do you actually understand what a concentration camp is and how permanent death is? No disrespect, but I see so many Canadians on here confused why we aren't fighting harder. Plenty of us are. But maybe it's the privilege of not knowing true American Police brutality with chemical weapons and actual lead bullets.

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[–] maccam912@programming.dev 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only people with the power to decide he is unfit are all in congress, and playing a "my team vs your team" game. I'm assuming they think they'll look bad or weak or like traitors and are not willing to actually do it, or there are simply two distinct realities people live in, and in one of them he is perfectly fit to do the job.

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[–] Ithral@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 21 hours ago

why is there no one with the authority to deem him unfit to govern, and demand that he step down under duress of consequences?

There is, it's called impeachment followed by a vote to remove. That vote can't pass without Republicans joining in, and they likely won't.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Everyone gave up.

Including myself, I'm moving.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I envy you. I’m stuck here.

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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

The people. Americans. That's what we're waiting on.

the issue is unlike other nations in the world American law enforcement and the military will NOT hesitate to point a tank barrel in your face and pull the trigger. They are MORE than willing to fly the air force over some random town in Ohio and turn it into a parking lot. In places like France the people can riot for being told that Paper should not be thrown in the recycling bin anymore because French Authorities aren't going to start a mass slaughter of their people, American authorities on the other hand have very little regard for their fellow man.

I was one of those Canadians wondering "why aren't the people fighting back?" but now I get it. Chances are if the American people start fighting back a good massive chunk of them will be killed. So the question now is are the American people willing to literally DIE for their country? I don't blame a single one of them if they answer "no."

Because lets be honest here why throw your life away for a country that has already turned it's back on you WELL before a Nazi wannabe dictator took office. Make no mistake Americans were STILL struggling under Democratic leadership. So I don't blame them. They're tired, they're all barely surviving, their healthcare is tied directly to their employment (by design). Systems have been building and put in place for decades to ensure they DON'T rebel. Most Americans live paycheque to paycheque. The healthcare they do pay out the ass for is already pretty shitty. So fighting for ones country means you and your family no longer eat, no longer have a place to sleep, no longer have healthcare. again, this is by design.

If you've ever wondered how other Dictatorships in the world took power, this is how, this is EXACTLY how. Leverage already established systems, crank them a bit more, take and hold power.

The cards have been MASSIVELY stacked against the American people for a good long while now. Frankly, rebelling isn't an option. Like Oliver they now have to hold their wooden bowls infront of Furor Trump and ask "Please sir, may I have another?"

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm very supportive out housing the homeless as a fix, but to be clear math is on a per-day basis, it isn't some sort of long term fix.

I hate these stupid math headlines that don't actually make any sense.

Current deployment costs are around $1.1 million per day, housing all of those people in shelters at $45 per person works out to something like $250,000 per day.

This math calculation entirely ignores the fact that there aren't enough shelters to actually do that.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would other costs go down over time? Housed people don’t need emergency healthcare nearly as much, and with a permanent address that would open doors to a lot of things.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I can’t believe you would forget the interests of the shareholders here

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 1 day ago

It's a simplistic calculation, but it does seem that often doing the right thing ends up cheaper in the long run. It just doesn't benefit certain groups, so it's not an option. If a million a day was applied to not just pay for sheltering, but to find solutions there wouldn't be a problem to throw authoritative measures at, or use as a reason to tighten security and control. They don't want to fix the problem, it works for them.

[–] sznowicki@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When communist were forced on Poland by soviets in 1945 one of their tasks for the next decade (that continued until 1980 collapse) was to build houses and give it to people. Other tasks were less nice like killing opposition, but housing was indeed how they decided to spent the resources.

US could start a massive communal housing programm on federal budget. They chose not to.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Cruelty is the point. I really don't think this country will ever change in any positive direction, sadly.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The point is to 'test run" military protection around the White House.

[–] joker125@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

This. They know that none of this is sustainable on a the grand scale.

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[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nominative determinism strikes again.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

countless after countless studies showed UBI will eliminate homelessness and wasteful bureaucracy to keep watch of welfare recipients and cheats

Everyone: Nah, we don't do that here.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

What a waste.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 day ago

Even without the occupation, housing-first costs less.

The End of Policing.

According to Need

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People say these facts, but not the base fact that all these facts prove which is that this lifestyle and the narrative created is completely bullshit and we are being farmed. That's our reality but it's so fucked up nobody wants to believe it. Psychological warfare owns the path of society.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Sure but helping the homeless would make them actual Christians following the teachings of Christ and we know that now what Republican Christians do.

[–] SwimmingInTheeStars@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

Trump only ever claimed to be Christian to sell bibles.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

Are we great again yet?

[–] abies_exarchia@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the top 2 comments i see ascribing this to ‘hate’ and ‘cruelty’ are missing the point. This literally is better for the capitalists’ bottom line. This can be entirely attributed to profit. The threat of violence (homelessness, etc) that the working class is kept precipitously close to powers this whole machine. If everybody was housed the threat of poverty would have less material consequence. Cruelty is not the point, in this case. Neither hate. Simply profit. Which in many ways is much more cold and insidious

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[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

What is actually happening to homeless people in DC at the moment?

The article is a bit vague. Some arrests, tickets?

I imagine far worse when the national guard is being called to specifically address this issue. Overall I am hearing little about the fate of the ones being targeted by the grey shirts. Does anyone have more info for an interested party?

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[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

"Showy? Useless? Expensive? Hurts poor people? Sounds pretty good but are you sure there is no way to put a yuge golden TRUMP sign on it?"

Trump (probably)

[–] wavebeam@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

The cruelty is the point

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Trump is a moron.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

They don't want to help people. They want to surpress people. To those people it hurts to help but they feel pleasure from harm. Those types are everywhere in our society but they have found a common home in maga.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

He was never that good at numbers, that Donald guy.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Breaking news Trump is a moron

[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 5 points 19 hours ago

Oh don't worry, he's not going to pay them.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah but with that 4x budget they get to look like what they think is cool, they get to be openly racist fucks and they get to enact their cruel fantasies!

Money all worth!

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 7 hours ago

president "epstein" trying very hard to shift public focus away from himself, and the fact that ghislaine being on work release isnt gaining more attention is something.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

The man is world famous as a money mismanager

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