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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 358 points 2 days ago (3 children)

CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.

Copilot is shit.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 116 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.

[–] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Don't worry, they're gonna eat themselves doing shit just like this. It's not a matter of if, but when.

"AI" has it's uses (medicine, engineering, etc.), but 99.99% of the snake oil they're selling are just gimmicky cash grabs. Classic cases of Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Let them burn their money, I say. Fuck it. Just sit back and enjoy the fire.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Hard agree. AI is not currently at the stage that CEO's think it's at. A few years down the road there's going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away. Sadly this also will be accompanied with a IT/Software "sinkhole" because many who were competent in the field will have moved on to the next thing as the jobs wern't there anymore.

Something similar happened with the Nursing field during COVID, prior to the event, there was a steady if not overflow of medical professionals, but when COVID occurred they started being treated like tools, medical facilities started having to pay mad amounts of money on traveling staff that jumped from facility to facility due to it to even partially make up for it as many left the field. Jump to today, the problem still exists, an educated field like IT or nursing can't have an event that results in tons of people leaving the profession, as you can't just snap your finger and get that knowledge back. It will take years to regain that trust and get people back into the fields again.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 days ago

AI is not currently at the stage that CEO's think it's at. A few years down the road there's going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away.

I think they're aware which is why they're posturing with BS statements such as his. They wouldn't need to force it on people if it were actually as good as they want people to think it is. They want to cash in now because they know the house of cards will crumble sooner than later.

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[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 36 points 2 days ago

Be the change you want to see.

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[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Copilot is shit.

Exactly, my company provides license for copilot and I use it, and while it has some highlights most of the time it actually is more a nuisance than help.

It especially annoys me because it hijacks autocomplete based on types with is own that frequently has subtle bugs, so now if I have it enabled I need to be on guard all the time. With the traditional autocomplete I could just trust it to be correct.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 230 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 89 points 2 days ago

Codeberg is so nice.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 66 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 2 days ago (6 children)
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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 224 points 2 days ago (9 children)

This part really stuck out for me:

This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.

If hype doesn't work, try threats!

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago

Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.

when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.

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[–] troed@fedia.io 175 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Move to Codeberg (esp. if you're European) - but please don't forget to donate something as well. If we don't pay for actual freedom, we won't be able to keep it.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also note that it's for open source projects only.

[–] neblem@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

The underlying software forge Codeberg uses, Forgejo, is self-hostable. I'm sure some web hosting business will get around to providing a managed hosting offering eventually.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 149 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Get out or what? GitHub?

I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.

If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?

Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?

Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 60 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they're faster, but reality is different. So it's the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn't really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate "fake it till you make it". Because, if this thing implodes, it'll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's because we're expensive. That's the long and short of it.

10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it's more expensive with benefits added).

The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.

I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn't actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it's still loads more than any other job out there.

They'll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don't learn, much like those reliant on AI.

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 109 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.

i urge people do do this but also donate to them too <3

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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 95 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

I don't get it. AI is a tool. My CEO didn't care about what tools I use, as long as I got the job done. Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done? They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 89 points 2 days ago (2 children)

GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?

Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?

Ima tell him…

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 40 points 2 days ago (11 children)

At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.

Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.

Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.

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[–] Lev@europe.pub 84 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.

I’ll feel a lot like this:

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[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 74 points 2 days ago
[–] hark@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don't need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.

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[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 64 points 2 days ago

If those are my two options...start looking for my projects on Codeberg I guess.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 62 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Would AI be better CEO's? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 days ago (6 children)

A CEO's main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI's particular talent.

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[–] borokov@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Moved from github to gitlab when it was acquired by Microsoft. Moved from gitlab to codeberg last month because I don't need a behemoth with dozens of services I never use to store my 3 shitty code files.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Can this guy really be considered a CEO if GitHub is a fully owned subsidiary of Microsoft?

You know Microsoft, the company that is heavily invested in OpenAI and is spending hundreds of billions to try to make AI happen?

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[–] andyburke@fedia.io 50 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] krimson@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Keep inflating that bubble boys.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He probably spent millions of his owe money on AI stocks.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago

Aight Imma head out

[–] imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like a desperate tactic to show value to investors who are skeptical of all the insane level of cap ex... not to mention all the customers who don't want to pay for this garbage

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

Expectation: High quality code done quickly by AI.

Reality: Low quality AI generated bug reports being spammed in the hopes the spammers can get bug bounty for fixing them, with AI of course.

[–] medem@lemmy.wtf 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Managing agents to achieve outcomes may sound unfulfilling to many"

No shit, man.

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[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago

I don’t trust Copilot to make basic suggestions, let alone edits, on an html file.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

real messages: embrace AI, because i still need to grift from investor's money, because AI is just a hype"

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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they intend to pay me the same amount to work slower and think less, that's their choice and I will be happy to help them out pursuing it. ChatGPT, explain to my boss how I'm using AI for everything I work on now.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They are so desperate to push this and it's pretty obvious why. Companies have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into AI like it was going to revolutionize literally everything and are now forcing it on people to make up for the fact that they were wrong. Don't get me wrong, AI has its uses, but their whole "solution for everything" mentality is really starting to backfire and they are just trying to make a profit off their investments. Basically "we spent way more money on this than we should have so you better use it or else."

Edit: In addition, every company is trying to be the one that's on top when the bubble pops which is only making it bigger and last longer which will only make it worse when it does actually pop. It's a problem they created and are sustaining themselves, and if they back out now it could be just as catastrophic as letting the bubble pop.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Guy who runs waning AI service (Copilot, currently being eaten by Claude Code and Qwen Coder) says use his AI service or you’ll be out of a job.

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

AI can only deliver answers based on training code developers manually wrote, so hod do they expect to train AI in the future if there is no more developers writing code by themselves? You train AI on AI-generated code? Sounds like expected enshittification down the line. Inbreeding basically.

Also, small fact is that they invested so much money into AI, that they can't allow it to fail. Such comments never came from people who don't depend on AI adoption.

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[–] alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 days ago

Is his message: “let us scrape your code or go away, and we gonna scrape it anyway” note: scrape = steal

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is [...] a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.

Very insightful for me to read this. If AI in its present state was as useful as it is advertised, it wouldn't need such apocalyptic language.

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[–] aliser@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

does "embracing AI" means replacing all these execs with it? or is it "too far"?

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