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From age and ID restrictions on the Internet, to charging rappers with “terrorism,” the U.K. is demolishing the most basic civil liberties. If we let them, U.S. leaders may be close behind.

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[–] Mniot@programming.dev 161 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think the US will be fine as long as we don't repeatedly elect some kind of cabal of pedophile authoritarians.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 45 points 3 days ago (4 children)

You mean the Republican party? At this point I'm convinced their voter based would elect a serial killer so long as they said they were Republican.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 24 points 3 days ago

I mean they re-elected Bush so.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

You mean the Republican party?

Yes that's the joke lol

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[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's a YUGE stretch to assume there were no democrats in the Epstein files.

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[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Irony is truly lost on this platform

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[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 118 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Just what the fuck is this timeline? I was born in Russia and spent a good chunk of my life basically idolizing USA, UK, EU, other European countries, English-first countries, etc.

By the time I had the language and professional skills to try and migrate into a probably really good life, suddenly there's a rise of authoritarianism, loss of privacy, rollback to the political right and intolerance and hatred and whatever.

There's still a long way for these nations to go before things are as bad as here, but the differences still are dwindling at an alarming rate and I often find myself wondering if it's gonna be worth the effort if I want to eventually move to someplace that still respects privacy and freedom and is sensible about the Internet and digital technologies.

There's still a lot of perks from knowing English as well as I do, but at this point, I think I'd have to learn German or Swedish or some other northern EU language if I ever make up my mind.

And by the time I'm ready, these countries will roll out some bullshit, too, right?

And then there's Visa and MasterCard telling you what you can and can't purchase because some conservative cesspool wrote some emails - but gamers' emails are ignored...

It's all so demoralising. I miss looking forward to the future with hope and excitement for things.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

what's happening is our current system right now is in the process of failing. it's dying, it didn't work and it can no longer sustain itself. Someone once said something along the lines of "When the current system fails, the next one will consist of whatever ideas are left"

So what ideas are left? the ideas of the far right, just like far right ideas are ALWAYS left when a system is about to die. So all these governments, all these wealthy individuals, all these people that have the most to gain are are going start backing the new up coming system. We're seeing it in real time.

But this has happened time and time again. We're a collectively dumb species and love watching repeats. it's always the same song and dance "well lets go this way, sure it didn't work out last time but I don't believe it'll happen to us THIS time".

So it's not so much "what the fuck is this timeline" but rather "well it's our generations turn for bullshit". And it always skips a generation. So the boomers didn't experience it, but their parents did, and now it's our turn. Hopefully our children or our Kids children will be smarter than boomers but...we as humans sure do love watching reruns.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

As someone still in Russia, a bit of the same.

That is, I expected things to get worse, but not "avalanche of shit, cockroaches and rat bones" levels of worse.

Except the idolization part started receding much earlier, when I actually learned English well enough to understand that these are very intolerant societies. Say, where in Russia people disagreeing with you on some key matters would look at you like a fool or just decide to stop this conversation so that neither of you would offend the other, in English-speaking countries, it seems, there was simply no way to survive outside of some echo chamber and God forbid you find none to fit into. But that was like 10-15 years ago, now, of course, in Russia you can get jailed or strongly fined for words.

But I thought there's some deeper wisdom and in those harsher societies people are also somehow better capable to maintain their common freedom and dignity yadda-yadda. In fact that's not what I see.

As a bit of gloating - at least now the "why are you not all revolting against Putin" Western types can be answered with their own regrettable example instead of common sense and logic, these are fine, but an example is more efficient.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sweden teaches its kids English first now. You'll be fine.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 17 points 3 days ago

Back in the '80s my British father would get as far as opening his mouth to use the Swedish he'd been practicing before the shopkeeper would preempt him in flawless English "How can I help you, sir?".

My inlaws actually don't speak any English and they're the first adult Swedes I've known that don't. Fortunately I speak Swedish fluently but it was comedically awkward for my wife's previous British boyfriends!

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

You can now do secondary schools in English in Finland.

Except if you speak Finnish or Swedish as a native language.

Fucking stupid addition. Some right-wingers afraid of Finnish dying must've added it to the legislation but it's beyond silly and not having it would promote integration of non-Finnish speaking immigrants with Finnish/Swedish speaking natives. And there definitely isn't a lot of people who would prefer doing secondary school in English. Probably more from the newer generations but still a tiny minority.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's always Canada, a similarly large yet sparsely populated land with awful winters and bad food, you'll fit right in.

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[–] MSugarhill@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Don't get your hoped too high on Germany, Switzerland and Austria...

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[–] Corelli_III@midwest.social 87 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"and america could be next!" they literally have domestic concentration camps in america there is no freedom there

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

But how nice of the headline to imply such things don't exist while pretending to be shocked about other things

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[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 84 points 3 days ago

The US is already well down the path with masked men kidnapping people on the street, holding them without any contact, defunding all sorts of media and billionaires suppressing all sorts off stuff in their media outlets.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 42 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Britain has never had free speech in the same way as the US, nor even of the press. Only in the last few decades, they've only had what's required by the ECHR.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well US free speech is telling lies and misleading millions of people on broadcast television.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They literally have a Press Censorship system where they will send something called "D-Notices" to newspapers to shut them up.

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[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago

That was lost a while ago, but it's nice more people are noticing that it's getting worse.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hopefully this doesn't devolve into another USA vs UK shit flinging contest. Authoritarianism is on the rise everywhere, Trump and Starmer are both utilising state power to crack down on dissent and opposition. Those of us who are opposed to this shit are on the same side.

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[–] monogram@feddit.nl 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Remember VPNs definitely don’t help here, definitely don’t try to skirt any protections using a VPN, definitely remember to have your ID with you at the ready for any website to show to.

[–] DapperPenguin@programming.dev 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

If you could project into the future, you might see that VPNs are a dwindling non-solution to the problem. As this unsettling trend makes waves across all jurisdictions in the world, every VPN's IP will be subject to these new controls.* Eventually normies might need to understand technologies like Tor or I2P. Only problem is, if things get really bad they might ban the use of both outright. I'm not sure if I2P can be detected just as Tor, but I do know Tor users can be detected easily. Which is why if you're in a "censorship" country you need to use some sort of special subset of entry guards. I2P might be better because every node in the network is like a router, none are specifically entry, middle, or exit nodes. Only thing I could think of, maybe some form of deep packet inspection? If everybody runs an I2P router, then simply making requests to other nodes is not enough to determine it's an i2p communication?* It's just distributed computing, the way the internet was intended!

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pretty much every company that matters decided to go full 1984 censorship and surveillance all at the same time. And the governments are more than happy to play along. UK, US, etc. Pretty much all of "the west"

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They are paving the way for feudalism to replace liberal democracies,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 24 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I already can't say what I really think about politicians and CEOs without getting banned from comments all over the place, so didn't preach to me about censorship. I'm already chest deep in this shit.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

The UK has really crossed a red line by overtly outlawwing support of Palestinian Action.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Uh, America had free speech? First I'm hearing about it.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

If you're wealthy enough, you can do whatever you want.

Freedom™

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

With a president meddling in both universities and media free speech, there is no way to seriously say USA has free speech.
But even before these issues freedom of speech was very challenged in USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (9 children)

How many whistleblowers and reporters did Bush and Obama charge with the Espionage Act?

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[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Lol its been decades since the UK had free speech. I haven't forgotten the Nazis pug.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I lived for over a decade in Britain until about 5 years ago and by the time I left I truly believed the UK was the most likely country in Europe to turn Fascist within a decade.

So far, they're well on schedule and there isn't a month without some news about it further confirming how wise my decision to leave after the Brexit vote was.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 days ago

UK joined the US suicide pact after the queen. Sad.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I think it's odd (and pretty terrifying) the U.K. and U.S. have been on such similar and almost coordinated authoritarian tracks over the last few years. It started with a lot of gradual steps and more recently they seem to be ramping things up (which also seems pretty common for authoritarianism/by the time most people notice something weird is happening it's too late).

Both ramping up A.I. to spy on, and control/micromanage their own civilians while refusing regulations or any public accountability for the A.I. they're developing.

April 2024: U.S., U.K. Announce Partnership to Safety Test AI Models

Feb 2025: UK and US refuse to sign international AI declaration

May 2025: Brexit’s Failures Could Foreshadow Trump’s. Just Not in the Way You Might Think.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago

US lost thiers before, UK did.

[–] Jocker@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What's happening in Britain, thought current government was a good one?

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Labour is centrist and they desperately want to exert more control. English are sheep, so no one will protest daddy government.

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Supposedly centrist. They're curious whether being populist right wing on some issues will win over Reform UK voters. It's just that they're so curious and are doing this so often that they're well on their way into morphing into a right wing party.

so no one will protest daddy government.

Yea this is a problem..

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[–] obbeel@mander.xyz 9 points 3 days ago

Very information heavy article. I appreciate that.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Could? go publicly criticize the Pedo in chief and watch what happens

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