Applied retroactively and recursively, it would strip citizenship from effectively all Americans
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That’s the point. They have a weapon that can be used against anyone, and it’s already shown they don’t care about due process. The courts gave him everything he needs.
I think this is a great point. If they dispute the immigration status of your great grandpappy, oh looks like you're an illegal based on this purely unconstitutional "inherited status" doctrine.
Edit: The 14th amendment specifically mentions "born" in the US to prevent the use of the law to do things like this aimed at former slaves. Its no surprise that this kind of thing is being attempted by maga nazis.
It's going to suck to have to carry in depth genealogical records everywhere
I mean, you could carry the 2nd to defend the 14th
My dirt farmer ancestors got here in like 1890, too late to fight against the Yahnkeez, just in time to steal land from the Indians.
So I guess I'm either Scottish or stateless now. I'm not sure which is worse. (Just kidding, Scots)
I cannot fucking wait for a bunch of white bitches to be all “why my baby not American, I vote for you!”
FAFO
How will this impact the people in the Epstein Files?
Donald J Trump
All Republicans
Half of Democrats
Wow. I Didn't Know That. You're Telling Me Now for the First Time
That is a great question. Thanks for bringing it up.
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Does this include Marco Rubio, whose grandfather was an illegal immigrant?
Or Trump's wife who he bought from Epstein?
Wouldn't this mean that Trump's father who's parents were German and his mother who was born in Scotland weren't citizens when he was born on American soil, hence he himself isn't?
Of course they will never let it apply to themselves.
Fascist regimes delight in and depend on arbitrary enforcement of rules.
No it ain't, experts have been telling us the whole time that no one is safe.
First they came for the Mexicans, I just cracked open a bud light...
So, recursively and retroactively. So who is a citizen then? People who pay the $5m? People who are naturalized? Party loyalists? Does servitude guarantee citizenship? I would like to know more.
The more of these boxes you can check, the “safer” you are….
White.
Wealthy.
Straight.
Male.
Christian.
And well-connected and have rightthink. Those are more important than the others. You can check all your boxes, but too much wrongthink and you'll be against the wall before you know what's happening.
Party > Wealth > orientation > race/gender > religion (Just keep it quiet.)
service hasn't guaranteed citizenship since Trump scrapped the program in his first term
Not even service guarantees citizenship as multiple veterans have been deported
It's not a nation anymore it is more a club. Do they have membership discounts? /s
I'm doing my part!
Fucking fascists. We should still be accepting immigrants through Ellis Island (in my humble opinion)
No! Don't be humble about that, that's just simply how this country was founded.. and I don't mean the exploiters, I mean the countless immigrants who form the working class since then. That is more than something to take pride in.
I had a little "debate" where it was being argued the US was never a melting pot, and if it was ever, it isn't anymore. How defeatist is that? To let the undeniable presence of so many cultures wither just as these ethnonationalists intend.. You have to be bold, else you lose what you once had, or worse, never achieve anything greater.
To that end, USCIS declared flatly that the children of immigrants who are “unlawfully present” will “no longer be U.S. citizens at birth.” They will, instead, inherit the status of their parents, rendering them detainable and deportable as infants and throughout their lives. There is no indication that the government will provide some grace period before snatching up and imprisoning this new underclass of noncitizen babies; they are apparently subject to arrest from the moment of birth.
it’s not much of a stretch to assume they’ll do the same to people born here three generations down. or six. or twenty.
fucking pieces of garbage worthless nazis these admins and anyone who supports them are.
Yeah that's smart, expel themselves
if we’re lucky they’ll follow their leader.
If you haven't figured out that these rules were never meant to apply to them, then I'm not sure what to say.
20 generations would stretch back to Columbus
Cool story.
@xylol Is one of those who brought it up.
One of the steps that will lead to mass corporate slavery.
"Former" Americans will be bought and sold, or "disposed of", to pay off their "debt" for being allowed to stay on American soil.
So. This is what will cause a revolution. Believe that.
Will anything cause a revolution?
From an outside-the-US perspective, it feels as though every incremental assault the USA’s constitution is met with a bit of tut-tutting and complaining about why elected members don’t fix things, then back to apathy 48 hours later.
If this goes through and birthright citizenship falls, so does the rest of the Constitution.
Isn't birthright citizenship a human right or UN right or something?
No.
To render someone stateless is a HR violation (UDHR article 15), but there are plenty of countries that do not grant citizenship simply because a person is born within their borders (eg most of Europe).
But birthright citizenship is Good, imo.
It is pretty much the peak human rights, to not let a human become a refugee at birth.
-:vibe replying:-
The world is pretty divided in giving citizenship based on the person's parents or on place of birth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis
And you think trump cares?
I don’t. But it might be extremely difficult to approve.
All he needs is the Supreme Court to agree. My guess is that they won't, but they are out of their fucking minds, so we really have no idea, it's a giant coin flip. The majority of those judges are horribly corrupt and basically terrible human beings, but if they destroy the country badly enough, they know it will come back to burn them. The question is how much risk they're willing to take.
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