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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 164 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There's no telling if that hasn't already happened. Europe needs to drop Microsoft ASAP.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Microsoft said this, but this likely applies to AWS and GCP too.

[–] Gumus@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Check out Hetzner, a German cloud provider. Established, reliable and way cheaper than AWS.

I know migrating is nigh impossible for most large apps, but creating a new one on AWS/GCP/Azure is so shortsighted.

More people need to know about alternatives.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hetzner is really trashy though. They seem to suspend or permanently ban folks for no good reason.

https://tenforward.blog/hetzner-considered-hostile-a-psa/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32318524

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn, they really go the extra mile for a full equivalent to googles offering.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago

Right?? Like some shit doesn't have to be part of the competition..

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hetzner and reliable do not belong in the same sentence.

Cheap yes, reliable no.

I've been using them for my company a lot because of how cheap they are, but compared to other European competitors (like OVH) they are complete garbage. Their pricing is the only redeeming factor.

The Schwartz Group (parent company of Lidl) is currently building a German cloud platform, which sounds a lot more promising.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

Lidl Web Services

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

And OCI. Any US based company is subject to the CLOUD act.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 39 points 1 day ago

~~Europe~~ Everyone needs to drop Microsoft ASAP

FTFY

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Canada, too. For the last two years, Canada has entrusted sensitive statistical information to Microsoft. We should be treating MS with the same skepticism we currently reserve for Huawei.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Germany and a handful of other countries have been moving to Linux over the past decade. Betting the rate of uptick speeds up now though.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Anyone wonder where your country's health records about all their citizens are stored? I'm guessing it's all on either MS, AWS, or Google. That means Trump could get access to your medical history.

This is important because of his attacks on LGBTQ people, vaccines, abortion, autism, and who knows what other nonsense he wants to persecute.

And here in Canada the Liberal government is putting forth bill C-2, which opens up even more access to the US to get even records stored in Canada by Canadian companies.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/canadas-bill-c-2-opens-floodgates-us-surveillance

Feel safe yet?

[–] Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am from the Netherlands and work at a hospital, we exclusively use Microsoft software.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here in Italy all family doctors use Gmail for safety data regularly

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[–] lemonskate@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only if they aren't using customer provided encryption keys (is using blob/bucket storage) or an equivalent approach to encryption at rest, and make sure they're doing standard TLS for encryption in flight.

It's absolutely possible, and standard for any decent organization, to build their cloud architectures to fully account for the cloud provider potentially accessing your data without authorization. I've personally had such design conversations multiple times.

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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the case of Germany: confidential computing tech ensures all data is encrypted in storage and in memory, shielded even against data center employees / hosting providers. I imagine that's become the standard for most countries.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hmm. Policies might say so. Not every business follow policies, whether they are their own or imposed ones, though. Business going all "it's ok, our provider have the correct certifications for data handling" are definitely a thing.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 50 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

So how are American companies any different then Chinese? Everyone always says Chinese companies have to listen to their government. Never got how American companies would be any different.

[–] MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago

They're not different at all - the CLOUD Act (2018) and FISA courts already gave the US govt near-complete access to American tech companies' data regarldess of where it's physically stored, we just don't talk about it as much as we do with China.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 32 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Can EU please make an open source phone?

We have linux for computers, but we need a "linux" for phones (yes I know Android uses Linux Kernel, I'm talking about like a Libre Non-Google OS)

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[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I thought gdpr forced companies to store data securely in the eu. Are they saying they'll transfer that data to the us to give Trump access, cause that's a gdpr violation and should result in fines and eventual removal from the eu market.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

The CLOUD act and GDPR do indeed not work together.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 10 points 1 day ago

The first sentence and the first paragraph of the article:

even if that data is stored overseas

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

and should result in fines

Hahaha should

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[–] comador@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 day ago

My assumption for many years now has been that the answer to any question involving MS giving access to your data is "yes."

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 20 points 23 hours ago

I have been saying this for more than a decade. Shit like this is why privacy laws and stuff regarding warrants and other stuff need to be expanded to private entities as much, if not more so, than government agencies. In the past the idea of a company having that much access to people's information was unthinkable, and in almost everyone's mind it was governments we needed to be worried about.

But that hasn't been true since the 90s at least with credit cards being used for most stuff and internet purchases being the norm for almost everything.

Governments in the past needed something to ask for permission to look into you... but companies never did, and since the only thing governments need to do is either buy it or ask nicely it makes many protections kinda moot. The fact that many countries want a strict surveillance state over everyone means even the classic protections we had for a brief while are disappearing, too.

If there ever is a 2nd enlightenment with protections for people it needs to make the stuff written in the 18th and 19th century look like children's toys in comparison.

If you say 'but what about terrorism and bad people?' Look around you. They still exist and still rarely get caught unless they fuck up badly. Most of the time it still due to informants and people talking to authorities. In the US the murder rate resolution is only 50% (and that is just arrested and charged, not convicted) and this is because there is a massive distrust of the police. In other countries people are more likely to assist the police and/or they take their jobs far more seriously in terms of forensics... and on top of that they usually have a far lower murder rate which allows more time and resources to be funneled into solving major crimes.

Better to let 100 guilty men go than 1 innocent person convicted is the usual motto, but they don't believe that in practice. In reality they are very much kill them all and let God sort out his own. And we can't keep allowing that shit to happen.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 19 points 1 day ago

It's weird that this was something that Microsoft would have to admit, considering "The CLOUD Act" has made this mandatory for all US based companies anywhere they operate in the world. This has been a law since 2018.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 19 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I mean. They're a USA company. Of course they would be required to follow the laws of the country in which they HQ. Did anyone think anything different?

[–] trismegistos@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is what data sovereignty is for.

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[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 18 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If the EU doesn't combine forces to get out of this tech-dependency, than what do we have the EU for? I am a big fan the EU, it's doing many things for us already, but I'm really hoping we can work our way out of this together, and I hope we choose the FOSS-route so that we significantly help the world forward

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

I think our problem is a mix of corruption and tech illiteracy in the European parliament. People are either too deep in the pockets of silicon valley, or they are lazy fucks who don't understand anything about computers and are unwilling to learn, so they keep believing "Windows is easier".

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago

So we all agree that "if demanded" ANYONE'S data can be spied on. Doesn't matter where.

At least it's finally admitted to out in the open.

[–] lennee@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

suck my arch btw

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How is that news? The CLOUD Act is law since 2018.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm guessing the admits part and of course Trump is the current (quite jutified) bogeyman.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Continuing to do business in the US after the CLOUD act already implied enough.

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[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

well...... there is self-hosting too

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How much you wanna bet they already do and have been doing for years? They already spy on the rest of us, why is this any different?

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[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 13 points 20 hours ago

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP, LETS GOOOOOOOO!

No one is safe anywhere…

[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Of course they would. That's why I quit using their software.

[–] kleingartenganove@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

As an EU citizen, I don't find the idea of the US government having access to my data nearly as frightening as the idea of my own government getting into my accounts.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 17 hours ago

Why are there no major competitors outside the USA? Is there no “Silicon Valley” in the EU?

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