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(As a general concept of how a society should run, not intended as a US-specific question.)

I sometimes see people on the internet saying that giving people easy access to guns is too risky and there should be stricter gun control, while simultaneously wanting to abolish the police? I'm just confused on what people really want?

You cant both abolish the police and then also disarm the citizens, gotta pick one. So which is it, internet? Self-policing with guns? Or reform the police?

[Please state what country you're in]

::: spoiler


(Also its funny how the far-right of the US is both pro-gun and pro-police, I'm confused by that as well) :::

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Germany: I'm fine with the status quo. You really have to prove that you really need a gun to get it - Most Americans would simply not qualify under our rules. The Police has weapons, but they are much better trained than the American Gung-Ho, shoot first, ask questions later cops.

[–] the_grass_trainer@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Every man for themselves, free-for-all, no resurrections.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 2 hours ago

I am pro gun owner ship... But I don't own a gun due to liability risk being higher than my need to have one. I lived in more rural location that calculus would change.

But American gun culture is pathetic anf thats the root cause of the issues we have with guns. Mouth breathers cos playing operators

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Neither this nor that. Your options are too simplistic.

Of course, police needs guns.

Some civilians need guns, too. But not many. They should be able to get them, but they have to prove their need. It needs rules set up in advance to define what kind of needs qualify for getting guns. And then it needs laws against gun abuse.

In addition, soldiers need guns. They even need weapons that are much stronger. So there must be boundaries between several kinds of weapons, and normal people cannot get all kinds. And there must be boundaries between what police can do and what soldiers can do. For example, soldiers must never go against civilians, and nobody has the right to order them so, and they can never get punished for denying such an order.

[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

but they have to prove their need

No. They should have to prove their competency. Need is too easy to dispute. We dont get to dictate why someone needs a gun any more than why they need a car. If they want one, have the means, and demonstrate compliance with safety guidelines, then they shouldn't be denied. Canada handles this fairly well.

School shootings demonstrate why some people should absolutely be denied access to guns.

The current US political situation demonstrates why more people should arm themselves.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 3 points 13 hours ago

prove their competency.

That's a good thing, but comes after the need.

current US political situation demonstrates why more people should arm themselves.

If it's about bringing down a bad government, it can be done with pitchforks as well.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 hours ago

Need is too easy to dispute.

Because it needs to be disputed. You want a gun, you make a case for it.

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