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edit: seems like some people interpret “full of” as a mathematical majority which, while it may or might not be true instance to instance, isn’t my intent in posting

feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 54 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (15 children)

Eh... I live in the cousin-fuckingly-deep South. In a city, and I work in a hospital, so I think it's pretty safe to say this is one of the more left leaning bubbles within a hundred miles. ...and there are still a fuckton of Nazis here.

There are absolutely decent people trapped here, but we're legit outnumbered. It isn't just gerrymandering or some shitty system at fault: the majority of southerners are just fucking evil.

There's always some thinly veiled excuse - "We don't hate women, we just want to protect the babies!" "We don't hate immigrants, we just want to protect our jobs!" "We don't hate trans people, we just want to protect our bathrooms!" but when you hear them talk amongst themselves about those people it's pretty clear they really do just hate them.

Most southerners are sincerely not good people.

[–] CorruptCheesecake@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As someone who relocated to the south after being born and raised outside the south, I can confirm that the majority of people here are truly fucking evil. This place is horrific.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 12 hours ago

I’m so sorry and thank you for sharing. I hope you can be a light to your community while also keeping safe and healthy. We’re with you homie ✊❤️

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There are absolutely decent people trapped here, but we’re legit outnumbered. It isn’t just gerrymandering or some shitty system at fault: the majority of southerners are just fucking evil.

This. I remember moving from a conservative area in a border state, to the South for a short time, and being absolutely floored by the things that were quite openly said and laughed about. And I was no wilting violet, I was already quite used to hearing vile shit.

"Every population is secretly filled with our allies!" is delusional.

[–] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 3 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

“Exceptions to the rule” were so ingrained in every one when I lived in the south that it was impossible to have a decent conversation about anything.

My gay cousin is fine, but gay people

My best friend from high school, who is black, is fine, but black people are…

My abortion was necessary but abortion at large is wrong…

My trans child needs gender affirming care but…

My Latino workers are upstanding people but Latinos are…

My EBT/Snap benefits are deserved but people on welfare…

My drug use is fine and doesn’t harm anyone but…

I mean, I know this is a general human trait, but it felt almost institutionalized to a point where people could say incredibly horrible shit about people and then deftly sidestep the contradiction when called out. It really did feel like being in a fever dream (and not from the crippling humidity and heat).

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Oh God. In my border state conservative area, growing up, that was the constant refrain. I'm borderline having flashbacks, lmao

[–] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 3 points 14 minutes ago

Apologies for the memories.

What really made my head spin was encountering the self-loathing types who would argue against their own interests. I recall listening to a man, who had lived with another man for about 20 years, tell me that gay marriage was wrong but that he wanted his partner, who was a few decades younger, to be taken care of when he eventually passed.

That was when I truly realized that something was wrong with everything.

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[–] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 42 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Since 2013 we’ve seen disenfranchisement in Alabama in real time. Require strict new voter id, then close the DMVs in black and left leaning areas. Combine polling places in democratic leaning areas so they are further away and have long lines. Move polling places so they are no longer accessible by bus. Those are just the obvious ones, but the Republicans’ strategy has been to do anything they can to stop people from voting.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 15 hours ago

i would love so hard some legislation that requires voting ids on contingency that independent local sources find that access to ids are hugely increased

which means it will never happen but hey a girl can dream

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I’m with you. I live in a red state in the north, in a small island of blue, but if I drive for a few minutes in any direction it’s trump signs & bigotry.

I feel like I’m surrounded by idiots. They’re bringing my state down with them. It’s horrifying.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sending love ❤️ I truly hate to see would be-“progressives” laughing at the senseless deaths and violence just because some 30% of them voted a certain way.

It’s one of the ways that capital keeps the culture war lit, I find. Breed hatred and dehumanization for a people group while gleefully stripping that people group from self-determination at every opportunity.

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm seeing a very ugly side around Lemmy the last couple of days. It's nice to see posts like this!

If something is despicable when your adversary does it, then it is despicable when you do it.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 11 hours ago

We are not immune to propaganda! ❤️ It’s on all of us to help each other out, finding our blind spots.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Food for thought. If youre a working adult youve invested in this country. You have every right to expect something in return. Like the expectation that your investment hasn't been squandered for the purpose of evil.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 8 hours ago

i thought it was human nature for my paycheck to go to bomb apartment buildings several oceans away while my neighbors die of preventable diseases???? im confused

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

I can't do shit about that in Pennsylvania. You'd think there would have been more an effort to disprove the allegations or fix the problems sometime between 1865 and now.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Guess what! People in the south frequently can’t do shit about it either. If you would like to blame this on the people who live there for not voting correctly, please explain to me what you think ‘gerrymandering’ and ‘disenfranchisement’ mean, and what the average person living in the south is supposed to do about this shit being greenlit by SCOTUS.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Both things can be true: vote manipulation measures and voters choosing horribly.

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[–] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 20 hours ago

And every time a city tries to do something good, the state steps in and stops it. This happens daily in Birmingham, Alabama where the state is constantly overturning things the city has passed or the state takes the ability away from the city.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

They got guns, don't they?

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 12 hours ago

You are maybe being sardonic but you’re touching on a real poignant issue that’s worth investigating.

Notice how the NRA conveniently backs the oligarchic state? The average NRA member owns something like 17 guns. That is, they can afford 17 guns. NRA members are wealthy.

This is not an accident. Poverty has been weaponized to keep the majority-white, upper to middle class the ones that are armed, while the working class, the people of color, queer people, women, migrants, tend to be less armed and less able to organize.

Of course these are all trends, or tendencies, not hard and fast rules (plenty of Black or Queer Texans own guns), but on the whole, and especially in combination with a militarized, capital serving, police force it had a real dampening effect on ability to resist oppression.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 22 hours ago

There are rights organizations that work across state borders for these causes. Not trying to shame, just putting out there that there are outlets for your talents, time, money, or even just verbal support.

[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

i guess, but they voted for that too

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

the voting rights act was only in 1965. in a significant number of cases, no they did not

the 19th amendment was in 1920. in a significant number of cases, no they could not

it is demonstrably harder to vote if you are poor and harder to vote informedly if you are poor and uneducated all the way through 2025. no they did not vote for this.

thank you for proving exactly why this post needs to exist. class consciousness, not culture war.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

Those examples are from 105 and 60 years ago.
There are ways to make the point you're going for, but invoking legislation that old doesn't do it.

Am I sympathetic to people who are ignorant and so voted against their own interests? Sure, a bit. A lot of southerners would take issue with trying to defend them with cries of "don't blame them, they're too stupid to agree with me!” though.
Am I sympathetic to people who have been systematically disenfranchised and economically abandoned? Of course, I'm not a monster.

The fact remains that a lot of people in red states earnestly believe in what they vote for. You can talk about class consciousness all you want, but the people fighting the culture doing so because of manipulation by the rich or powerful in a class war does fuck all to help the people loosing said culture war. I'm sure the suicidal trans kid takes great comfort that the people voting to make them illegal are just misled.

They've had every opportunity to inform themselves. Maybe eventually they'll hurt themselves enough to stop fighting the culture war you don't want others to fight.

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[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (8 children)

Do explain how gerrymandering affects the presidential election. All votes are counted for the entire state.

I get that it affects local elections. That is obvious.

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

That's actually easy.

The shape of the district gets decided based on the concentration of votes for one party. The goal is to make enough districts with enough concentration of your voters that you always win those districts, and make the rest of the state have few enough districts with enough of a mix of of voters for both parties that A) the for-sure districts can't be lost and B) the not-for-sure districts can never oppose the for-sure districts as long as they remain under your party's control.

So all the rigging party needs to do is campaign enough in the for-sure districts that they can't lose, and campaign enough in the not-for-sure districts that their opponent can't win. And then because of the Electoral College, all of the states votes go to the rigged party.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

??? But as the OP said that's not how Presidential elections work. Gerrymandering does not affect presidential elections at all.

As he already said, it affects local elections like Congressional districts.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

*with the exception of Nebraska and Maine, who use proportional allocation of electoral votes based on districts.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 21 hours ago

Not proportional. FPTP per district.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 22 hours ago

Indirect influence versus direct consequence

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 12 points 22 hours ago

I feel less sympathetic for many conservative states than this image would encourage, but even though gerrymandering doesn't impact presidential elections directly it does impact state legislatures who then control the rules around presidential elections.
Every vote is counted, which is why there's focus on voter suppression. If your legislature decides to make it harder to vote in liberal or more densely populated areas, voter turnout will naturally skew conservative. Same for shifting requirements to focus on criteria less often met by demographics that don't support you, or changing the criteria for purging the voter registry and making it harder to register.

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Gerrymander secretary of state race
Geryrmander governor race
Gerrymander state Senate and house races
Pass disenfranchisement rules and laws
...?
Profit

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kemp

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Read a bit of the Kemp wiki and found this unrelated gem:

"Georgia was one of 14 states that used electronic voting machines that produced no paper record, which election integrity experts say left elections vulnerable to tampering and technical problems"

Well. I see no problems that could arise from that 😑

I mean, technically still not any gerrymandering in the presidential elections. Just making sure we understand what the word means. Otherwise we can extend the meaning to say something like: poverty leads to zoning of the empoverished which leads to gerrymandering. That doesn't mean that poverty = gerrymandering

[–] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Reminder that most states, while the majority may have gone for one candidate or the other, were still mostly under a 60/40 split

The States with the most landslide victory for trump where all northern states, Wyoming, West Virginia, and North Dakota, and even those were just 70/30 splits.

Thats many people who did not want this president. The South is not some unanimous bloc

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[–] Frog@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

The fact that Hillary Clinton can get nearly 3 million more votes and lose in 2016, and how Al Gore won the popular vote against George W. Bush in 2000 and somehow Florida, where the governor at the time was Jeb Bush, held significant power in deciding who the next president was going to be, is kinda fucked.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 22 hours ago

technically the electoral college and gerrymandering are not the same thing, but yeah i would honestly totally agree that the EC belongs in the list of oppressive forces in the meme (i stole the post otherwise i would edit it lol)

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 22 hours ago

no one claimed gerrymandering affects presidential elections, not directly certainly. but local regressive policies and disenfranchisement also hurt oppressed people daily; that’s why all three are up there.

(one could make some pretty valid connections between local elections and lobbying money going towards national campaigns, so we can discuss that if you want but just to keep it accessible and evidence based for now)

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I solve this by not liking anyone anywhere.

[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I don't care about the color of your skin, your gender identity, your sexual identity, your political identity, what country your from, or your legal status here, I hate all humans equally, I just want to be left alone.

Narrator: And that children was the prophet who taught us to hate equally and mind your damn business.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 14 hours ago

im a progressive because i want nazis to have healthcare

and im a liberal because i want them to need it

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/national-weather-service-alert-timeline-texas-flooding/3879084/

U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said Saturday it was difficult for forecasters to predict just how much rain would fall. She said the Trump administration would make it a priority to upgrade National Weather Service technology used to deliver warnings.

Sure, Kristi. I'm sure you'll say anything for headlines

During a news conference early Friday morning, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said he didn't know why the camps hadn't been evacuated, but that the county did not have an early warning system or outdoor sirens to alert people to flooding conditions.

“We’ve looked into it before … The public reeled at the cost,” Kelly said.

Democracy, but stupid people are making your voting decisions

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