It's not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.
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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that
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W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial
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For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD
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Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)
Windows 11 doesn't actually need the tpm. They just check: "oh it's Intel 6th gen, it's trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one"
Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still "incompatible"
Their marketing told us the lie "it needs tpm and secure boot" but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not
In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)
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I've formatted and installed W11 on dozens of computers and never had it fail once. My gaming rig is an Optiplex from 2014, runs 11 just fine.
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Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.
I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.
Very possible.
It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.
I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I've made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.
Serious question, why haven't you upgraded to an i7 yet? They'd have to be super cheap at this point, right?
I mean, it's not my work PC anymore, but this one has been my main entertainment system for years now. I really don't need to upgrade and create e-waste to gain a little bit of performance. I haven't even installed Linux on it yet, still on win 10, but that will make it even faster. It's my firm belief that like 80% of the people would be fine with 15+ years old computers.
My newest computer is 5 years old. I see no reason to upgrade anything.
I use my 11 year old laptop with Linux mint on it as well. I maxed out the RAM on it and swapped in a Sata SSD, it boots in under 40 seconds and does everything I need it to do. It's one of those cheap underpowered Celeron processors as well.
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I used to have that CPU, but found it absolutely dying on it's arse for VR Chat (which is notoriously badly optimised). I got a i5-8400 instead, which is about twice as fast for single threaded work (which is still the main bottleneck for most games). Your overclock would take it a decent amount of the way there, but most people aren't going to do that, and it was getting a bit iffy even when I replaced it. Runs hot as well, I expect.
Since then they've got about twice as fast again. You don't have to spend a lot on them to get that either. A Ryzen 9600X will have me set for the next 15 years (assuming they don't ditch x86 CPUs altogether). AMD being competitive again has down wonders for performance boosts. Motherboards seem a lot more expensive these days though.
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Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good "unsupported by Windows 11" PC cheap this October.
Same. Should be rock bottom prices.
... a ten years old PC is...
... that's something from 2015, ...
Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?
Aa of July 1st we're closer to 2050 than 2000
Edit: 2020 -> 2000, derp
Hahah. I think you should double check your sources. As far as I know 5 years is less than 25
To be fair, the year 2020 was a very long couple of decades.
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You sure about that? Maybe you meant 2000 not 2020? Regardless, not sure how to feel about that…
Those aren't eWaste. Those are Mint machines.
This is so wrong
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Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.
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Those listing are not what I would call "full price"
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You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€
Yeah, those are basically Mini PC prices. The CPU alone used to cost more than that.
The specs look perfectly adequate (I'm still running very similar for daily use), and 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM should keep you going no matter how many tabs you open or how bloated your PC gets.
Personally I'd get a new Ryzen Mini PC for that kind of money just for the form factor, but they're hardly a scam. The main issue is that the crowd this is aimed at have very little use for a PC these days.
Happy cake day!
Oh nooooo, however will I do the needful without Microsoft's world famous blue ribbon customer support.
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Stop purchasing from Amazon
Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?
My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don't consider it e-waste.
I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy
Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases
That's why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new
So keeping it from being actual ewaste it's now going to be used by someone... That seems like a good thing.
The only downside I see is that it isn't disclosed
My gripe with that is that the seller is scamming inexperienced people, they think that they are buying a brand new PC while instead it's not
(The fact that a 400 euro PC includes 600 euro of software licenses should ring a bell about the legitimacy to the buyer, though)
How are they scamming? They list the specs right there again the only issue is that they are used parts potentially, but I'm not sure how you know these examples are specifically sourced as you claim.
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But "e-waste" means something so outadet that it's useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.
And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it's heavily used equipment?
Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy
3-5 years is a pretty standard depreciation schedule for IT equipment like computers, peripheral accessories etc.
Computers and laptops (using Straight-line method): 31.67% with a useful life of 3 years.
Computers and laptops (using Written Down Value method): 63.16% with a useful life of 3 years
It really has nothing to do with leasing vs. buying.
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The only time a tried to buy a laptop from Amazon it was advertised as 16Gb of RAM. What was delivered was 8G with an 8GB SD card taped to the box and Amazon refused to give me an actual refund. So i just assume any computer you buy on Amazon is fraudulent now
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I got the one on the top (minus storage and ram) from a local university surplus store for $30 a few years ago. Lenovo brand but same form factor.
If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.
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lol, the one on top is the same i bought in 2016, crazy still on the market. I still have the CPU, replaced motherboard, case, and other goodies over the years
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