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Oh shit
This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.
AI-powered productivity features.
Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.
No. Anytime who has actually done MSP work understand that most businesses are not purchasing office. They are purchasing a compliance and technology and identity control plane that has just about every add on a business needs.
Personal office use has always been a nice secondary.
MSP?
Managed service provider. Basically corporate IT.
The other person is correct. Managed service provider. The folks running the SaaS, Hardware and sometimes compliance.
Search your heart. You know which it'll be.
I don't even have to search. I already know it'll be preinstalled/hidden opt-out based on current tech industry trends :/
I'd usually say that "I'm hoping for the best, prepared for the worst" but honestly at this point I think I have 0 hope, and I'm only prepared for the worst.
Thats from the current nextcloud docs:
We strive to bring Artificial Intelligence features to Nextcloud. This section highlights these features, how they work and where to find them. All of these features are completely optional. If you want to have them on your server, you need install them via separate Nextcloud Apps.
I'll sleep much better because of this, thanks again!
I wish I could upvote you twice but you have my thanks🤗❤️
Goddamn✊💪💪💪
The one time I'm super thankful to be wrong🙏
Thanks!🤗
What a breath of fucking fresh air finally🤌✨
I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.
Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven't yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle
Yeah, trouble is that it doesn't really work well with Nextcloud together so I would have to migrate all of my devices.
And in the end it doesn't work much better than NC.
It’s all just part of their addons, so you choose yourself if you want AI. You can even choose to have local AI, if you don’t want to use an external AI, which I believe is ChatGPT.
I have a nextcloud instance and I can confirm that the ai features are plugins, and are opt-in (and also pretty cool, as ai feature go)
It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.
Ionos used to be 1&1 which had a fairly poor reputation. Not sure what it's become nowadays. Apparently they haven't gotten much better.
It would be nice if they could offer alternatives for individuals with prices comparable to those of Hetzner Storage Share (which is based on NC). Somewhat, I feel every other NC hosting solution is way more expensive per GB.
Hey, I had been searching for a reasonably priced NC hosting for a while. I even considered a VPS from Hetzner but somehow didn't find this. Thanks for pointing it out.
Glad to have helped. The only issue I may have with it is that the web frontend feels a bit slow, but O mainly use it as a file sync service, so it doesn't bother me too much.
The Hetzner Storage Share lacks a lot of features that Nextcloud IONOS have. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Hetzner has an office suite for Nextcloud?
I didn't check it, tbh. Unluckily, I need almost perfect compatibility with MS Office for my job (shared documents). You're most likely right.
I am not sure what this is supposed to be announcing. I have been using the hosted nextcloud from Ionos for a few year and I can say the experience has not been good. The nextcloud version is outdated by several years, the store is locked and the service minimal.
That being said it was the most competitive provider I could find for nextcloud + collabora as a service (not all provider include it, hetzner does not)
Though I love nextcloud and I switched to a new provider this month, the office apps still need work,the se patate server they require make the ecosystem difficult to read. Still overall I am very happy to see this kind of things surfacing, as nextcloud is a very nice alternative to gsuite or o365 with a lot of avantage. Just don't go with the Ionos version.
Please tell me they're not writing it in php.
Nah, it'll be CGI.
Cool, I've always wanted to get back into Perl.
I might be wrong, but it sounds like hosted nextcloud, not a completely new platform.
Nextcloud is so slow and brittle, I can’t imagine scaling
I was in the same boat and therefore my nextcloud instance was mostly running for backwards compatibility with a few setups I have, while I mostly use seafile, immich and sogo. But a few days ago I updated to nextcloud hub 10 (I think that's with nextcloud 31 under the hood) and damn does that run smooth. I was so impressed I got motivated to finally setup the high performance backend for nc talk.
I still dislike PHP, but nextcloud just won back my heart a little.
Why do you dislike PHP?
Not OP, and I don't particularly hate PHP but I certainly understand why everyone else does. It had a ton of horrible issues that didn't get fixed until 8. Just really awful stuff like a23+n7=30 , inconsistent syntax, It's just had a lot of holes over the years. Post perl, It had the next greatest number of plugins and was reasonably rapid so it took off with the inexperienced crowd, But we ended up with a lot of code written by a lot of inexperienced people and a lot of best practices were eschewed. Most of the big software names that run PHP have had a constant stream of really bad vulnerabilities, more so than a lot of other languages. (WordPress, PHPBB, vbulletin, a million horribly written WordPress plugins)
Personally, in a pinch I'll still do something in PHP. It's so incredibly rapid and gives you marginally decent debug right out of the gate with nothing installed.
I don't like the syntax, the runtime environment (which runs interpreted) and for PHP more than many other languages (aside from JS), a lot of code out there is hacked together horribly which makes me completely distrust the community.
Personally I stay away from anything that doesn't have a compiler.
Owncloud infinite scale seems, well, much more scalable
I've moved away from Nextcloud
It is such a pain to maintain and is way complicated
Not sure how long ago you tried it. But my first attempt at an install back in 2021 was so much more complicated than when I did it again in 2024. It's been rock solid ever since. I use the docker all-in-one method, it's pretty straightforward. When I went back to college, I decided to use it to organize all my classwork, and it's perfect for that. I still prefer LibreOffice to author papers though.
I’ve found the docker version very easily to maintain.
Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider
It's the first time I'm hearing about IONOS. Are they really larger than OVH?
Probably a case of hidden infrastructure.
I believe (no source) IONOS solely belongs to 1&1 AG of which 'United Internet' has a majority share (that I am sure of).
IONOS = Business focus. Primarily hosting and services
1&1 = End-Consumer focus. Primarily ISP and some other consumer services.
I would assume they count the infrastructure they provide for both 1&1 and IONOS.
Besides that they only have (I think) 2 DCs in Germany and 2 or 3 other locations in the EU and I think 1 in the US.
So in the end I would say it's either Hetzner or OVH and then IONOS as having the most infrastructure.
Intentional BSOD-coloured branding?
I'm wondering what will happen to openXchange which ionos is using currently and is afaik also holding parts of. It does exactly the same.