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StopKillingGames EU citizen initiative country contribution relative to population / threshold (lemmy.ca)

submitted 3 days ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

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Don’t let publishers destroy the games you bought with kill switches!

Please support the initiative of Stop Killing Games!

EU Petition.

UK Petition

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago (2 children)

PirateSoftware can get fucked. I'm glad this initiative is alive again.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Sometimes you need a villain to unite against. I'm thankful he decided to go mask off.

[+] whoisearth@lemmy.ca -34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

What did PS say?

Edit - nevermind. He had a well thought out opposing viewpoint which you disagree with.

God forbid there should be a healthy discourse on a matter.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

he was massively misinformed and refused to back down when shown how his argument was flawed.

[+] whoisearth@lemmy.ca -24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Or maybe just maybe he's not massively misinformed but it reading things differently hence no need to back down?

For context I read this.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-drama

Nothing in there states he's wrong simply he is interpreting things differently and his interpretation does not align with yours.

Also, complex but I doubt you are in the business of making games so I'm confident he probably has additional context forming his viewpoint which you do not.

Again, god forbid people have opinions. Is this where we are in the terms of discourse now? We are not allowed to disagree because one side feels they are "right"?

Fyi I have no skin in the game.

[–] Dutczar@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 days ago

"He uses League of Legends as an example. Pirate Software suggests there is no good way to make the game playable without its client-server structure."

I can't watch PS's vid right now, but how? How is it different from Counterstrike Classic or Quake being played by local parties? Is it because LoL would need to make all content available for free in the offline version? Capcom didn't seem to have a problem when making offline MegamanXDive. In fact, multliple other examples PS brought up fall flat because of that one. I can envision a singleplayer offline Pokemon Go, or one ran by fans. It doesn't matter if it's far more trimmed down.

"Pirate Software then admits that if the game [The Crew] had a single-player component to it that was shut down with the online component, that would be unacceptable."

That's literally what happened though. The Crew has a solo mode. It's innacessable now. It kickstarted the movement.

Being a consumer, not a dev, has nothing to do with it. We already have legislation against microtransactions, even if the devs only lose from it, because consumers deserve better treatment.

Also, PS allegedly has benefit in going against SKG because he's developing a live-service game. I don't know the name, and I don't even care, because even without that his arguments are shoddy.

Lastly, he was just disrespectful and called the initiative ass off the get go, throwing insults, and refused to engage in discussion. If he's mad about people treating him the same, well, you reap what you sow.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 1 day ago

this has been going for six months and the information is out there. know your meme is hardly an authoritative source.

[–] Charzard4261@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

Hi, someone who does make games here!

Whilst there are some concerns with the interpretability of the movement, the reasoning I have seen pirate software give comes across as disingenuous. He explains the worst possible reading, and dismisses the entire movement rather than help guiding it in the right direction like someone in his position could do.

The real reason people are mad at him is because he made some unnecessarily rude comments about the organiser and the movement as a whole, which was incredibly unprofessional and made a lot of people feel betrayed by openly siding with the same big studios that many people feel cheated by right now.

If you happen to have any questions, feel free to reach out! This is an incredibly passionate subject for both players and developers alike, but a lot gets lost in the crossfire :)

[–] TemplaerDude@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Your comments have JAQing off all over it. Why you holding water for a performative shit head who was proven to be wrong?

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Funny how you interpret people downvoting you as "you not being allowed to have an opinion" while downvoting you is nothing more than the expression of their opinions of you being wrong. So should opinions be expressed or not? You cant have that freedom just to yourself.

[–] Madagaskar_sky@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He had a well thought out opposing viewpoint which you disagree with.

Used car salesman

L O L

Ego voice mod boy can suck it.

[–] Statick@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago

The initiative is not asking for retroactive enforcement.

They are asking for an end of life plan for games made after some TBD date. Something that at least gives end-users a chance that it can be played after a corporation ends support. Ideally that would be server binaries, but it could also mean documentation on how the server infrastructure works so it can be rebuilt by motivated end-users.

PS's use of League of Legends is awful because all they would need for an end of life plan (if it had been required at the time) is to add a LAN mode just like PvP games from years and years ago, I.e. Quake, Warcraft, Starcraft, Counter-Strike, Halo... Etc etc etc.

That's it. That doesn't require "endless" support.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

There's currently 40k more signatures than when this was posted yesterday. Ross' last video felt very gloomy, but the pace is picking up again. I'm hopeful. If this push keeps its momentum (likely dependant on some major streamers/news outlets picking up on it), it might just make it in time.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You Mediterranean motherfuckers need to step it up a bit

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I agree. I think the main problem is that there's not enough content in Italian, Spanish, etc. about this topic. And people in those countries follow less English-speaking channels.

[–] anonymous111@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From today's video, I'm under the impression the country totals no longer matter and they just need to hit 1 million signatures.

Thank you Ross!

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

You’re correct, we just need the signatures from any EU country.

[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

Good job England, could've at least supplied some signutes.... /j

[+] zedgeist@lemmy.world -8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Not to be overly disillusioned (though I am), but does this petition accomplish anything that isn't merely performative?

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If it passes, there will need to be a way to play offline or to host one's own server after the official ones shut down, or an EOL date advertised along with the product.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, the EU council and parliament will just discuss it AFAIK. They are not bound to follow up with legislature, as thats still up to the lawmakers.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Exactly. It's really unnerving the amount of misinformation still being discussed after all this time. All the information was in the website since the beginning. This petition only forces the EC to talk about the topic. That's it. They'll probably ask for opinion of the industry and of consumer protection groups.

[–] zedgeist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for clarifying

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

You are welcome. Still, this is only true if the suggested law passes, and the petition meeting the 7-country & 1M signature thresholds only guarantees it will be considered by the European Parliament.

[–] Statick@programming.dev 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the USA it's performative, but in the EU it means they will actually need to talk about it.

[–] kossa@feddit.org -3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, so performative. I've seen quite some petitions for the German parliament which made the threshold, so that the representatives had to talk about it. They talked and all ended with "No, won't do". I expect the same to happen in the European Parliament, even after clearing those ridiculously high thresholds.

[+] Blackmist@feddit.uk -11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Not at all.

You can't force anyone to carry on running servers after their business dies, and you can't force them to release code that might be licensed from somebody else.

Realistically, the onus is on us, and all we can really do is refuse to buy or engage with games that use this model, and if we do then at least accept that one day it will be gone, no matter how much time and money we've tipped into it.

[–] Madagaskar_sky@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

You can't force anyone to carry on running servers after their business dies

I am amazed at how powerful one video can be to blind people to the whole discussion.

No, no one expects them to nor does it say so anywhere in the language of the petition.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The EU can very much dictate how businesses do business in Europe. Consumer protection is one of their responsibilities.

The initiative however says nothing about forcing anyone to run servers or to release code. If you think that, you missed the entire point. Games in the past used to work just fine after being abandoned without keeping servers online or releasing code.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 2 days ago

what on eventual law can do is force developers to plan ahead. you can absolutely force them to release code.