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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 93 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I'm afraid it's too late though.

It's possible - arguably even likely - that the Dem establishment still won't get the message and will instead continue to try to con us into supporting corrupt neolib hacks and will continue to undermine actual leftists.

In fact, I sort of half expect the New York party to abandon Mamdani and instead back a write-in campaign for Cuomo.

I wish I was kidding.

Even if they show never-before-seen integrity and determination and actualy shift back toward supporting actual leftists (or get replaced by a new generation of leaders who will), I still think it's likely going to be too late. The longer Trump and his ilk remain in office, the more likely it becomes that opposing them will just get you on the next flight to some overseas concentration camp, or dead, or both.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if the establishment decides open corruption is pretty cool actually and starts trying to rehabilitate Adams' image. Seems like trying to run both Adams and Cuomo is a fools errand and Adams is stubborn enough to stay in regardless so they'll have to go with him.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

They already have, for years.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

100%. The DNC are not our friends and havent been for a while now.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 11 points 3 days ago

The Democrats are going to try to ratfuck him, sure. They're never going to get the message

But this is how we clean them out. This is why AOC and Bernie are doing rallies - so that every seat that comes up is filled with a progressive. And this is a big seat

As for it being too late... Yeah, we're fucked. But we can still make things better. There's no reason to yield ground, maga is incredibly incompetent - they can be beat.

And there will be an after

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah hope has security detail. I worry ICE going grab him and disappear him. Especially if it looks like he will win the general election.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It is too late for electoral politics to save democracy, if that's what you're talking about. People like Mamdani are important for the day after, but Trump will have to be deposed much like his ilk in Ukraine and Tunisia.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

I'm always very intrigued by those pushing the rhetoric that it's too late to use elections to solve this, and admonish anyone that tries.

But at the same time they themselves refuse to start a revolution they insist is the only way. While simultaneously waiting for someone else to do it for them.

In the end the suggestion seems to be to not do anything by and hope someone else does it for you. Be that by democratic means or armed means.

If you're not starting the rebellion you sure as hell need to be engaged with the existing democratic proccess. Otherwise you're just not doing anything at all. Which is the worst option

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[–] jared@mander.xyz 47 points 3 days ago
[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ehhh zorhan primary win is more like first big hurtle. Now ZOHRAN has to deal with belligerent part of democratic party and independent runs

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He already has, up to this point. In fact, big parts of the party tried to support his competition. They failed. He's another in AOC mould. He may be good or great but there is an increasing trickle of progressive candidates.

The more that win by being good the more that can win without being so good. He may not be the Dems saviour but he's a step in the right direction and a worrying sign for Republicans and establishment politicians.

[–] oh_@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Indeed, they dusted off big Bill Clinton even.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

When I hear that Clinton endorsed a canidate my first thought was, who cares. That guy hasn't been in office for over 25 years now. Talk about irrelevant

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 2 days ago

It's not for us, it's for wealthier donors.

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[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah I'm just saying there's a lot more to go even in this race alone. Just because ZOHRAN WON the primary that doesn't mean the Democrats leadership will be happy about it

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’m no political scientist, but I’d think he needs to win the general before this can be said.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Beating well-established Democratic royalty on their home turf by a Muslim is a pretty solid punch in the face.

He even had Clinton's endorsement. This was a very clear Fuck You to the Democratic party.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Was there actually an endorsement? All I'm finding is that Bill Clinton congratulated him on the primary victory.

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Agreed but this is a good start.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

For sure, but we’ve seen hope like this go down the drain before. The circumstances here were favorable I think. RCV primary against an unlikable and disgraced opponent in NYC is hardly a death knell for the national corpo Dems

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

Agreed as well, and I don’t wanna jump for joy yet but we gotta take our victories as they come. Hopefully this is a snowball that causes an avalanche of change.

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

It's indicative of a deep, irreversible rift in the party. Either democrats adapt or they split in half.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish. It's a clear message from the constituency, but no one ever blamed the DNC for listening ti their voters too much.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Either they listen to their voters and become a 'new' democratic party, or they'll continue bleeding numbers and die. Either way, it's still the beginning of the end.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

Fuck I hope so...

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 days ago

This is NOT true! The ONLY Reason he Won was because we DIDNT have Elon Musk Backing us or make our Platform CLEAR enough! Next time we'll spend BILLIONS of Dollars LETTING people know we WONT do ANYTHING to Improve Their Lives! THAT will bring them RUSHING back to Us!

-Chuck Schumer and The DNC!

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is it though? Or is it wishful thinking?

[–] berno@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dems are cooked. Nobody is buying the old guard bullshit anymore. Embrace populism or go the way of the Whigs

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Maybe, probably. They are going to gamble that they can stay the same because people are/will be so mad about... well everything.

They can prop up a white male moderate with an ounce of charisma, someone that is around 45. People will be refreshed that this candidate speaks in complete sentences and the capacity for empathy -- like a real person.

That's what they want, business as usual sold as a revolutionary idea. Will people buy it? Who knows.. groups of people are pretty dumb.

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[–] Bonus@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And may it pisses off the MAGA crowd like nothing else.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

AOC is going to need allies and a progressive coalition. We need to change the composition of the party from within in exactly this way. We just need way more of it.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

From your lips to the ears of Elpis.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lets see if you get a President Mamdani in a decade or two. It would be a change for the better.

[–] logi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He can't run for president since he wasn't born American.

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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

time to tell everyone NY democrats to "Vote blue no matter who"

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 2 days ago

I fervently hope so.

[–] CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Every time something hopeful like this appears I start wondering if it's safe to imagine that maybe things could get better here in the US. But so far I've been disappointed over and over. Part of me wants to just skip over the "maybe something good will happen" part and get right to the "oh, well, looks like he was assassinated by a blackwater hit squad" part. Money is power. The donor class gets what they want. And I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

& boy he needs to win

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 4 points 3 days ago

I can only hope ...

[–] Bigfish@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 3 days ago
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Yo if telling yourselves that headline is what it takes to get you dudes out there to vote for the DNC so they can get to ending Citizens United, creating fair elections maps, taxing the rich, and expanding medical coverage: power to you. Let's go!

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm sure the problem caused by a two-party system can be fixed by adhering to a two-party system

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