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A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn't have to follow the judge's oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn't in writing.

Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing "national security concerns."

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order "since apparently my verbal orders don't seem to carry much weight."

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 220 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.

[–] cotus@midwest.social 53 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Wouldn't Trump just pardon them?

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 169 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump's time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It literally takes trump 20 seconds to tell an aid to start paperwork for a pardon.

After 8 years of watching the legal system completely and utterly fumble any semblance of justice against Trump, it is bizarre to see you hail legal action as the ultimate method of dismantling the Trump regime. Big "I think Mueller is still going to bring Trump down!" energy.

Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is "waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people" also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.

Did anyone say it was the only method on the table?

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Nowhere did I say that was the "ultimate method." Every single thing the orange asshole tries to do should be obstructed and interfered with in every way possible.

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[–] deo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 day ago

He can't pardon a disbarment, though!

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

No. You go through the bar and remove their license.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Throw everyone who implemented it in prison. Trump may have made himself an untouchable dictator but just himself.

Remember that loyalty only goes one way, unless it’s in trumps personal interest such as profiting from it. Make him go on record as either pardoning the criminals or dropping them

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 129 points 1 day ago

He didn't feel he could disregard it.

He successfully disregarded it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 83 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

He shouldn't be letting those attorneys leave the courtroom free men. Hold them in contempt and issue bench warrants for administration officials and anyone carrying out these illegal orders.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 58 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

This is the only correct response, any other response means that the federal government does not in practice have checks and balances

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 43 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It also forces Trump's hand. Either publicly reveal, right now that he is an all-out dictator instead of slow-rolling it, or fold and lose any momentum he has.

If a violent revolution is needed to take him down, the sooner everyone knows about it, the better.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, slow nibbling at fascism is how the world got Hitler. Out the despot now.

[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 76 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The US is in a constitutional crisis with situations like this, and so many people just don't seem to care or want to acknowledge that it's at that point.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 76 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

'You felt you could disregard it?'

Well, given that they disregarded it and are now standing before you arguing that they had the right to disregard it, I think it's safe to say that yes, they felt they could disregard it. And given that the migrants were deported anyway, your orders were not only completely ignored, but were also being openly mocked on Twitter by Marco Rubio, and they will receive no punishment for doing so, I think it's safe to say that they were right.

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”

He's about to find out that his written orders carry even less. Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that he can't even be questioned about official acts, much less investigated. Trump could go on his Twitter knock-off tomorrow and tell this guy to go fuck himself with a chainsaw and there's fuck-all this judge can do about it.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is kind of insane to witness unfold in real time. These fossils don’t understand that they’ve been stripped from their institutional powers. They are literally not able to understand what’s happening even if it’s totally transparent to anyone watching.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They feel that they can ignore it because they can ignore it. Stop letting them!

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (6 children)

How do they do that? Their enforcers work for Trump.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They can deputize citizens to carry out the orders too

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Wahoo it's-a me Luigi

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well considering Republicans control every branch of government, they're assuming they can and will get away with it. Even if this goes up to SCOTUS, the conservative justices will let them do what they want. One of them will "dissent" though to try to make it seem like they don't agree. They're probably behind closed doors playing rock, paper, scissors to see who "dissents" each time a hot button topic gets up to them.

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[–] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

His written orders won’t do anything either. Who knew the constitution can be so easily ripped to shreds by simply ignoring it.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 46 points 1 day ago

This should have been fixed in the 1800s when Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court, but it was ignored and here we are

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

☒ Soap box ☒ Ballot box ☒ Jury box ☐ Ammo box

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Promises promises.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 52 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Show cause why I shouldn't throw your ass in the klink. That's what happens to the rest of us if we ignore a court order.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 20 points 19 hours ago (17 children)

He can’t be charged with a crime while in office or for anything he does in office. So, that’s why.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (13 children)

so arrest everyone in the department that did it. EVERYONE. secretary of [thing], and everyone who might have so much as seen the command moving down the chain.

that's what a law that wasn't just an excuse to punish poor people would do.

or just fucking arrest him anyway, fuck it, if laws don't mean things, laws don't mean things. that includes his special protection.

but again, that would require the point of the law to be something other than punishing the poor.

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[–] engene@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Enforce the law! Otherwise, there really is no turning back. US Democracy is dead. Fascism wins. 🇺🇸

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer

If this is the only consequence of having done it- I’d say they didn’t think they could, they knew they could.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Note Rubio saying they aren't going to stop, when explicitly told to by a judge. That's called sedition last I knew.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uh oh! This Judge sounds PISSED! SOON Trump is going to get a STERNLY WRITTEN LETTER! And if they DEFY that? OH Boy! ANOTHER letter will be on the way!

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd Like to See Ol Donny Trump Wriggle His Way Out of THIS Jam!

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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 39 points 1 day ago (7 children)

So what is the judge going to do? Admonish them?

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Judge Boasberg does have one other card he can play, according to FRCJ Rule 4.1(b). If the US Marshal service is unable or unwilling to carry out a federal court order, the Judge who issued the order can deputize individuals to carry it out.

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 30 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

At the end of Inglorious Basterds, Aldo Raines has his man kill Hans Landa's assistant. Landa screams "You'll be shot for that!" and Aldo says:

"Shot? I don't think so, more like chewed out. I been chewed out before."

During the first administration KellyAnne "SkankySkag" Conway received numerous fines for her near constant violations of the Hatch Act, eventually reaching $100,000, which she never paid. When asked about it, she casually dismissed it, saying "Let me know when they start talking about jail time."

Things like censure, polls, stern warnings, appeals to morality, etc. Mean less than nothing to these traitors. They are determined to destroy America, and nothing less than harsh imprisonment will get through to them. If we get through this, we need to viciously purge MAGA from society and prohibit it's existence.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

He'll move up to SLAMS next

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[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 33 points 1 day ago

Well if the order wasn't enforced... yes?

These psychos aren't stopped by words.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 32 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

So just to be clear, this is within the domain of “constitutional crisis” that the vast majority of Americans who graduated from high school will have certainly been taught about at some point. But precisely zero major news networks or newspapers are calling it as such.

Evidently a comically dismaying proportion of us unitedstatesians need to be told when our own fucking house is on fire. And even then, 30ish% of us will deny it as the flesh melts off their own bones.

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Like at what point does everyone else in the government finally say "ok we have to treat them as treasonous" this is a madhouse full of complacent fools.

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[–] Shawdow194@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a strongly worded condemnation!

Anyway

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order "since apparently my verbal orders don't seem to carry much weight."

Written orders probably won't carry any weight either since he probably can't read even if he attempted to.

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[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Judge SLAMS Trump with no legal action whatsoever.

[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

They don't give a single fuck about any letter you make, any protest you do. Any law you say they broke. What the fuck are you going to do about ir? Until that answer is armed revolt they will not give a single fuck about anything you do.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

way more than about Trump

legal precedents that uphold other legal precedents are being dismantled like they already were being done away with before Trump

more precedents that go away the more personal freedoms and civil liberties goes away

need a revolution

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