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I don't know what a .webp file is but I don't like it. They're like a filthy prank version of the image/gif you're looking for. They make you jump through all these hoops to find the original versions of the files that you can actually do anything with.

Edit: honestly I assumed it had something to do with Google protecting themselves from image piracy shit

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[–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You only dislike it because whatever bad app you're using to share them on doesn't support them.

Stop being the gullible fool and start hating the apps not the file format.

Edit: I also spot your .gif favouritism in there. .gif is an archaic and wasteful format, and asking for it is the same as looking at your car and whining that the fuel has no lead.

[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The fact that GIF is still a thing in 2023 is baffling

[–] IanM32@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The terminology is sticking around longer than the format, too! Love me some (webm/H265) gifs.

[–] ram@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The fact that GIF is still a thing in 2023 is baffling

As opposed to what widely supported animated image format?

[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

APNG, WebP, AVIF, WebM. Not sure about JpegXL

GIF is size and ressource heavy

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Webp is an image format.

Jpg is ancient, and gif, holy shit gif is from stone age.

I dunno, if you're playing a video, you probably want x264 or better these days, no? For music, we use some variant of mp4 or lossless at this point.

Yet with pictures, for some reason we insist on the old shitty stuff.

Using jpeg or gif is like using mp1 for music and VideoCD for video. Come on now.

The only problem with webp is that there's quality loss if you convert an already compressed jpeg into webp with high compression rate, like some web sites do. That can suck, but I don't know how else to get people to use more modern formats. Otherwise we'd be using ancient formats into the 24th century.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The old shitty stuff was designed to compress images and stuff to be small enough to transfer on potato internet.

Now the HTML size itself ends up larger than many of the images while they code in endless advertising and scripts.

Old internet was better TBH.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This isn’t really relevant when webp is more optimised and smaller file size. People are determined to force things to be GIFs despite them looking terrible and taking up 50MB for 10 seconds of 720p looping video.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, I forgot to mention in my other comment, as far as compression goes, what ever happened to good old MIDI? 🤔

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Midi is quite literally a text format, and you can open it in anything. It's just a matter of interpretation what comes out of it.

[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's just a new picture format that is arguably better than jpeg in many scenarios. It has been around for many years. Windows just refuses to do file associations correctly, so people hate it for no reason.

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For anyone who doesn't know, you can easily change the file extension to .jpg and it'll still work.

[–] time_lord@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

But also know that it's not a jpeg, and it only works because whatever app is opening the jpeg is able to read the webp format.

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You would like it if you had slow internet, or you hosted a website.

My website turned 5MB images into 100KB images using webp. My website now loads instantly, saves you bandwidth, and me costs!

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait really? Are they that much more efficient?

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep! Not least of all, GIF & JPEG are over 30 year old formats and WebP is about a decade old. So there's at least 20 years of advancement there

[–] optimal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

JPEG-XL has been out for three years, and is better and more efficient than any other image format on the market. Google just has been insisting on keeping them off the web because they want to push WebP instead.

[–] LexiconBexicon@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It'll be interesting to see which wins out, .jxl or .webp

Place your bets folks!

[–] Noobg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'd bet on WEBP simply because it was first out of the gate. Even though JXL is likely a better overall solution, it might arrive too late to dethrone WEBP. I'm already seeing WEBP in lots of places.

[–] kabe@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The format actually has a lot of benefits - it supports transparency, animation, and compresses very efficiently. So it could theoretically replace GIF, JPG, and PNG in one fell swoop.

The downsides are that many apps don't currently support it and that it's owned by Google.

Personally I use webp for images that are not intended to share (e.g. banners and images on my blog), but stick to JPG/PNG for sending to other people.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And here comes jpegXL claiming the same things. Fun times.

[–] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Okay, but jpeg xl is looking pretty good. Especially the ability to losslessly convert jpg to jxl.

Recent conversation on lemmy.world and an article about it.

[–] tvmole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why do so few apps (besides browsers) seem to support it? E.g. Win10 photo viewer and seemingly all my messaging apps

The format itself sounds good, and I see it everywhere online, but is there some reason it's unsupported?

[–] decadentrebel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Photoshop couldn't open it which is absolutely hilarious for an expensive app... while Paint.net can.

[–] stewsters@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Works great in Ubuntu.

My guess is Microsoft doesn't like it because Google came up with it. Ms has had some issues with recognizing open formats before. Could be you are using old versions of apps too.