Political Memes

This is a "let them fight" situation

Israel is executing gay people, and straight people, and fathers, and mothers, and babies, and the elderly, and the sick, and the disabled, people in hospitals, and in refugee camps, and Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and on, and on.

I don't think people are cheering them on in general. Just cheering them on against Israel. Which, like…yeah. One of these countries has been committing outright genocide and murdering journalists and aid workers en mass for the last 2 years, and then provoked this latest attack by firing missiles at the other.

So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?

You see the problem here, right? These aren't black and white, one side good, one side bad situations.

Iran is a terrible country. My partner and I would both be stoned to death there. But there are also queer people living in Iran, in spite of their intolerant regime, many of whom would likely suffer greatly if Isreal manages to force Iran into a war.

Reality is more complicated than just assigning "good guys" and "bad guys". That shit is for Star Wars.

In this specific situation, there is no justification for what Isreal has done. Their attacks on Iran have been unprovoked, and in clear violation of international law. These must recent attacks, by Israel's own admission, include non-military targets which makes them war crimes. Iran on the other hand has responded carefully and proportionally. Does it feel weird to be giving props to such a horrific regime for their behaviour? Absolutely. But it's impossible not to recognize that in this specific situation they are being the adult in the room.

Isreal is actively trying to provoke a war with Iran precisely because they believe it will turn international opinion in their favour, distract from the holocaust they are enacting in Gaza and shore up domestic support for their government. I'm not a fan of anyone involved in this situation, but I sure as hell am not going to express support for the country trying to start a war to distract from their genocide.

If one tribe is bad, the other one must automatically be the good one.

There can never be such a thing as TWO bad tribes fighting each other.

There is concept on the left called "critical support" it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.

In this case we can say: For sure killing LGBTQ+ people is not good, but striking a country that is currently carrying out a genocide is a good thing.

P.S. if you have better source for critical support please send.

me when people like you conveniently start to pretend to care about gay people only when something happens to Israel

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Me when people are cheering on Israel, a country that literally executes innocent children

People are cheering on Iran out of pure spite, not out of genuine support for Iran.

The American people are tired of our government spending out tax dollars to support a genocide and then gaslighting us about it when we call them out. They are also persecuting dissenters on it. This has happened under both Biden and Trump, though Trump has leaned more on the persecution. We are fucking sick of it.

There is satisfaction in seeing someone stand up to genocidal Israel, even if the party doing so is despicable in their own right. I think people would greatly prefer getting behind a western democracy taking a stand, but we're at a point where people will take what they can get. Especially with it being clear that the aforementioned western democracies aren't going to do shit against genocidal Israel.

And trans people aren’t treated as equal and they are constantly attacked by their fellow citizens.

Oh wait that’s America.

I don’t know much about Iran, but do they have legalized slavery? Because America does.

Nah dog. We ain't cheering. We eating popcorn.

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Fun fact. Irans executions of gay people in its entire history didn't happen until after the Islamic revolution. Before then and all the way even before the rise of Islam, whatever state that occupied Iran now all had harsh laws against homosexuals...

But enforced none. Not during pre-Roman times, Roman times, early Islamic era, medieval Islamic era, modern Islamic era. None. Not until the 80s did it happen.

It means Iran absolutely can return to a time when homosexuals were at least ignored by the law.

No sympathy for either except civilians caught in between.

The best thing in this is that Russia may receive less drones from Iran used to bombard Ukraine, so that makes me happy

Thanks to Project 2025, the USA is not far behind Iran.

I'm somewhere along the lines of "I just hope both teams have fun", but the opposite of that

Wishing both sides a very happy total collapse of their existing state

Isreal is backing the party that wants to do that in my country. Fuck em

Is it possible they are both just very very bad?

Maybe they are cheering against Israel and not so much for Iran.

Yeah watching Iran and Israel fight I don't really feel bad for either side. Does suck for the civilians in the middle though.

Because their enemy is currently executing literally everyone, gay or otherwise

Every country is fucked now. There are no heroes, only victims and victimizers.

'Cause of religion. Don't leave that part out. Also, remember, the US has an office of faith now. lmao

It’s called critical support. I can support both Iran’s self-defense from genocidal maniacs while simultaneously criticizing them for their human rights abuses. It’s something that people with a functioning brain can do - hold two ideas in their head at once.

Besides, Israel has killed more gay people in the last year just through sheer numbers of the people they’ve exterminated than Iran has ever.

Does it matter if it's Iran? They are still the victims here. Israel is downright genocidal, and won't stop in Iran!

What about Israel, a country that literally executes an entire nation of people, the Palestinians?

“Lesser-evilism for me but not for thee”

Me when a guy in a white supremacist administration makes a nazi salute and the ADL goes "no, it wasn't"

Me when an interest group which for decades has cried out against genocide and targeted ethno-religious persecution actively and deliberately proclaims it is going to eliminate an entire ethno-religious group from a large area of land

Me when people are defending that

Purity politics needs to end. Some of you MFs need to learn strategy, and play a game like Civ. If Iran harasses Israel, bully for us. Two of the worst people we know are now fighting, we should celebrate this reprieve.

Everybody sucks in this conflict.

Supporting Iran limits the ability of Israel to commit to their genocide, support Israel only enhances their capability to genocide and supporting neither only benefits Israel which make use of their partnership with the west

Hate Iran all you want, despise them, that's fine, but we need to pick anything at this point when the alternative is Israel

It might be better for the gays in Israel, but what about the gays in Palestine, or simply the people within Gaza?

You can reform a state to treat gay people like humans, you can't reform a genocidal state

Nobody is out there crowing about the superiority of Iran. Or how Iran is sooooooo great.

It's just schadenfreude. It's a quadruple heroin overdose of schadenfreude directly in our veins. We've screamed and cried and protested and called reps and done everything we could for 2 years while watching a genocide live on TV. For 2 years.

It's very cathartic to see that evil genocidal pedophile colony get its shit rocked. I cheered watching a hypersonic missile hit the Israeli Pentagon and I'll keep cheering.

Israel hit first. They called it preemptive but it was premeditated. Big difference. They punched above their weight now the hit dog is hollering. The very moment Israel sues for peace and comes to the table with concessions I'll support the violence coming to a negotiated end. And not a moment before. Until then. Pound them into fucking sand. Twist the goddamn knife.

Chump can get involved if he wants but I won't go die for Israel. Not for all the money held by the Forbes 500. If they call a draft I'll dodge it.

Iran has the right to defend itself.