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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 209 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Imagine joining the Marines and ending up doing this for Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 130 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The oath clearly states you'll follow legal orders of the officers above you. I would like to think when I was in the military I would refuse to follow these illegal orders. In reality I have no idea what I would do. It would be a long legal battle and potentially life ruining event to do the right thing.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 77 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Soldiers aren't lawyers either. So you'd have to be super confident in your knowledge of the law to risk discharge or imprisonment.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, for most things. But when it comes to fighting your own citizens, it feels pretty cut and dry. But again, this is easy for me to say now that I'm not wearing the uniform anymore.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

I appreciate your honesty. People make it sound so easy to do the right thing but when you're in a group like the military where conformity is pretty much a matter of life and death, it's like a very hard decision to make.

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 18 points 23 hours ago

The USMC has a chain of command whose job it is to know this shit. They let those Marines down and have stained the honor of the Corps.

The writing has been on the wall since at least last February or whenever it was trump replaced so much of the DoD top brass. This was always what - in his first term he tried to send troops to Oregon and the DoD correctly told him “no”. Those people are replaced with scum who don’t mind violating the Posse Comitatus Act.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for being honest about it. A different thread over the same topic people were saying it’s very simple and military should be able to easily disobey these illegal orders. Reality is much different. I know it’s very scary to potentially throw your life away to do the right thing and no one can truly say what they would do in this type of situation without actually living it.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, you're talking about potentially getting a dishonorable discharge making it super hard to get another good job and potentially going to military prison. It's an insanely hard situation to be in. The guilt you'll live with for following orders or having life long economic ruin. I'm just so glad I'm not in the military anymore.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago

I mean the oath is to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and then gets into obeying orders.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

"Be a good little crayon eater, maggot, and do as you're told unless you want to end up in there with them." -Commanding officer, probably

[–] terabytes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There does exist a hotline to call if you're being given illegal orders, at least.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What good is it when they're doing it live on television?

[–] terabytes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

The hotline is for service members if they are directly given an illegal order, not for civilians to report service members.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, I would have definitely called it. However, far too many people are too proud to reach out for help.

[–] cornmonger@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

yeah, aside from all of the other bs (which is a lot) it's just treating the marines like a personal toy

[–] Guy6758@lemmy.world 93 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Oh hey look more blatantly illegal shit from orange leader

[–] aramova@infosec.pub 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

orange leader

Ah hem, refer to him with the respect the office deserves.

It's Mustard Mussolini to you peasant.

[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago

Cheeto Benito.

[–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 1 day ago

I like to simply call him Rump

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is what the NRA have been waiting for, is it not? Let's just watch them leap into action to safeguard constitutional rights against an oppressive regime.

Any minute now.

Any minute now.

Here they come! Oh, sorry it's a pigeon.

It must be soon.

Hmm...

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sure someday there will be consequences for all these heinous crimes. Might even be the same day my flying unicorn crashes into a supermodel and we go out to lunch and figure out cold fusion together on the back of a napkin.

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[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So ... the US Army is now an occupying force, and the Second Amendment crowd will activate to save us?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And they're arresting senators for trying to ask questions. This shits real.

[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

That was yesterday. Today they're assassinating them in their homes. I'm worried about tomorrow.

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

OK. This needs to be said. Not every 2A adherant is a magat or a republican. There are many of us actual leftists that are armed and getting ready to actually fight this shit. The NRA != every armed American, and the time for leftists failing to be armed is long gone. Dems have been fighting against an actual armed left for decades because they love their capitalism. It is time to mobilize for real.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

marines now.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Why, “specific circumstances” of course.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I read the article. He crossed a yellow taped off area of the building perimeter.

He was a vet headed into the building for some reason and the marines stopped him, detained, turned over, and he was then released.

The guy didn’t seem to phased by it. Overall I’d give it a 5/7.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Any temporary detention ends immediately when the individual(s) can be safely transferred to the custody of appropriate civilian law enforcement personnel," a spokesperson said.

Coming soon:

"Day 3650, we'll transfer you to an appropriate civilian law enforcement personnel soon, prisoner."

[–] m4xie@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They can't perform arrests. They can only temporarily detain them with zip ties and transfer them by van to the police station.

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[–] who@feddit.org 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"They're just doing their job," said Leao,

No, Marcos, I don't think they are.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is why I'll never thank the troops.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Troops who invade our country and do violence to our people are our enemy, no matter what flag they fly or uniform they wear. Fuck these scum.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're a marine? What tour?

"California"

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

It was hell, man. Not one person cucked for Donald diddy the whole time

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

when republicans do it, its all performative anyways.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reuters images showed Marines apprehending a civilian, restraining his hands with zip ties and then handing him over to civilians from the Department of Homeland Security.

Asked about the incident, the U.S. military's Northern Command spokesperson said active duty forces "may temporarily detain an individual in specific circumstances."

"Any temporary detention ends immediately when the individual(s) can be safely transferred to the custody of appropriate civilian law enforcement personnel," a spokesperson said.

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

Temporary detainment into permanent detainment.

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel SO free right now. :P

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[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

That tattoo on that pigs knuckles; anyone got a better image? Ms13?

[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

That was my first thought. Where are all the self-described Libertarians who should be losing their shit over this? They should be in the street screaming "posse comitatus!" at the tops of their lungs.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I hope they ultimately meet a similar fate or find early graves rather than act as traitors. Rest in piss redneck trash, there's no honor or valor involved.

"Just doing their job" I hope somebody tells them the same while disappearing them to somewhere I won't give a flying fuck about. May your partners be slutted out and your children die before you.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.cafe 15 points 22 hours ago

Many in the US were silent when the US military was doing that to civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/most-guantanamo-detainees-are-innocent-ex-bush-official-1.804550

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

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[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

So it begins! Buy the ticket, take the ride! This is what you get for electing rump

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

MacArthur would be proud.

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