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[–] benni@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago

"No, I am your father."

"You're absolutely right! When Obi-Wan told me about my father's death, he probably meant that the person he knew my father as is dead, since your personality and appearance have changed drastically since then. I'm glad we could clear up this misunderstanding!"

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Also, regarding the white genocide in south Africa..."

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago

So glad Hollywood finally stopped being woke

[–] mimic_dev@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I unironically think nic cage would kill it in a parody of this idea. Randomly gets and loses a prosthetic finger between scenes. The background changes slightly randomly. And instead of a full script he's given the equivalent of a prompt for each scene and just has to "figure it out"

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 4 days ago

This has me wondering how often, if ever, Cage has ad-libbed a scene.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

bUt aI iS tHe fUtUrE!!11111

[+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

i mean it literally is, this hot take from 2023 is already out of date with veo3

and this is after 2 years, can’t even imagine how incredible it will be in 20 or 30 years

[–] ThisSeriesIsFalse@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How dystopian, you mean. Companies will try to replace as many jobs as possible with AI, meaning everything gets considerably worse in quality and reliability, and there won't be any new jobs to replace the old ones, leading to drastic unemployment everywhere. The only ones they won't be able to replace are the jobs that actively destroy your body from doing them. Every mainstream social media will be flooded with shitty AIs pretending to be human, so people don't form any real connections and are easier to manipulate via tweaking their AI "friends" a bit. Any government that doesn't pass Anti-AI laws will find their bureaucracy jammed by a glut of AI generated proposals. Legal trials will become a sham as any evidence you need can just be generated, no need for the truth. Our current actors will be turned into AI versions, and then every movie created by that company forevermore will use only those AIs because it's cheaper. The education system is already being completely circumvented by people generating answers to their work, so they don't learn anything. Neither humans nor AIs are ready for how hard they're trying to shove this stuff into everything.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Companies will try to replace as many jobs as possible with AI, meaning everything gets considerably worse in quality and reliability, and there won’t be any new jobs to replace the old ones

lol that’s not how capitalism works

[–] ThisSeriesIsFalse@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly how capitalism works. AI is cheaper than hiring people, and any company that doesn't take any and every opportunity to increase profits is failing at capitalism.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

so you don’t know how capitalism works

mcdonalds is cheap and largely made by automation, in fact if it was made by automation today most people probably wouldn’t realise … but restaurants and cafes still exist

if there is demand for organic movies with no ai then we’re going to build it

[–] ThisSeriesIsFalse@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So you don't know how much people don't care.

Sure, they'll exist. Just like how parts for old rifles are technically still being made today. But most people will never see one, nor do they care to see one. Most people don't care about the quality of films, hence the success of a lot of the Marvel films despite rapid decreases in quality, or the Star Wars sequels. I shouldn't need to explain why most people only seeing the shitty AI slop films is a bad thing.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But most people will never see one, nor do they care to see one

then who cares?

this is like being sad people don’t care for Marionette shows anymore

[–] ThisSeriesIsFalse@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fucking hell. I... really gave you too much credit, huh? "Who cares that the only films average people will see are AI trash?" Like, if you don't get the problem here, I really don't think I can explain it.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Like, if you don’t get the problem here, I really don’t think I can explain it.

tbh I might need AI to explain it to me because to me you just said: people like trash

hence the success of a lot of the Marvel films despite rapid decreases in quality, or the Star Wars sequels.

The part I don't get is, what difference does it make (to you) if the trash is made by a guy using AI or made by a company?

The main thing is that quality movie cinema goers like yourself have an organic free range no ai involved movie experience, and so long as there is enough of you out there (and there should be) then you'll be able to enjoy your cinematography experiences while the rest of us watch slop (and ultimately isn't this what is currently happening anyway?)

Not only that but are you assuming that AI and computational power will never reach a point where we'll be able to create a wide variety of films and movies that are on par with or exceed today's movies?

Are we assuming there will never be a movie that's made using AI that is better than these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst

or the garbage that's on TV at 3 in the morning?

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dear lord. No day without more AI hype. I really need to get a link where all the horrors of ai are summarized so I can post it with low effort as it is to hype it.

[–] Colors@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You could always ask AI to generate a list and create a link for you.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 4 days ago

There is a meme in here but I'm too tired to find it right now.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How is a complaint about script quality somehow disproven by Veo 3, a video generation AI?

Did you ask an AI to come up with a reply?

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do half of you realise you would get better quality discussion if you weren’t so cunty

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That's a fair point in general, and a good reminder.

But a person using AI is telling me they don't value their own mind to the point they rather outsource it to a dumb prediction machine, so why exactly am I supposed to entertain their commentary?

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 4 days ago

a person using AI is telling me they don’t value their own mind to the point they rather outsource it to a dumb prediction machine

Why do you believe this is so?

Most creative work is taking what we think of (an idea or thought) and putting it into action, a movie is just a more elaborate version of a story which we have been telling each other since the beginning of time

If I tell Veo3 a story and it brings the story to life with visuals and audio where have I not valued my own mind?

This feels like elitism: I had to learn a whole craft (singing/song writing/instrument etc) to bring my idea to life, you didn't use a fancy camera with fancy video editing software, you just told a computer what you'd like to see or hear, how dare you!

The reason why the original hot take is bad is because it is simply referencing all the most obvious limitations of LLM's at the time (problems with fingers, over explaining answers)

This would be like in 1995 saying smartphones?? like tiny computers that fit in your pocket? Wow that'll be so shit! Oh great so now my wrist watch computer takes 5 minutes to boot up so I can check the time? and then it'll probably blue screen of death! I bet I'll get a virus then have to run a virus scan on it ughhhhhh

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The current models depend on massive investment into server farms. They aren't generating profit, and probably can't. When the companies involved realize it's not going to happen, they'll pull it all. That will generate a new AI winter, and in 20 or 30 years, maybe the pieces will be picked up and the field will go through another summer cycle. This sort of boom/bust cycle has happened before in AI.

And no, self-hosted models aren't going to make up for it. They aren't as powerful, and more importantly, they will never be able to drive mass market adaptation.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The current models depend on massive investment into server farms

I hate to tell you this but your knowledge of AI appears to be limited to 2023 ;)

You missed the entire Deepseek fiasco which basically put an end to the "just order more chips" strategy of AI

Chinese company DeepSeek made waves earlier this year when it revealed it had built models comparable to OpenAI’s flagship products for a tiny fraction of the training cost. Likewise, researchers from Seattle’s Allen Institute for AI (Ai2) and Stanford University claim to have trained a model for as little as US$50.

https://theconversation.com/microsoft-cuts-data-centre-plans-and-hikes-prices-in-push-to-make-users-carry-ai-costs-250932

Or if you'd like to read an absolutely mega article on it: https://stratechery.com/2025/deepseek-faq/

And no, self-hosted models aren’t going to make up for it. They aren’t as powerful, and more importantly, they will never be able to drive mass market adaptation

Both Samsung and Apple have on device AI already, you've not seen the Apple ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL88A5F9V3k

They're only planning more and more features using it

They aren’t as powerful

We've had insane gains in locallama's since 2022, including but not limited to this from the other day https://lemmy.world/post/30442991

And every few weeks a newer and improved model comes out, I've never seen tech so amazing and progress so fast as I have AI

[–] frezik@midwest.social 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Deepseek is not the huge leap it appears. It's better, but not at all what was initially claimed.

Nor is smartphone AI going to do the things people what AI to do. It won't let the CEO take your job.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

why are you linking me to articles i read ages ago?

Nor is smartphone AI going to do the things people what AI to do. It won’t let the CEO take your job.

You think AI is only useful if it’s taking someones job?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

why are you linking me to articles i read ages ago?

Perhaps because you didn't understand what they said.

You think AI is only useful if it’s taking someones job?

It's why companies are dumping billions into it.

If the models were actually getting substantially more efficient, we wouldn't be talking about bringing new nuclear reactors online just to run it.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Perhaps because you didn’t understand what they said.

they repeat what i said, did you read them? previously ai model training was entirely based on simply buying more chips as fast and as hard as possible, deepseek changed that

From your own article

Is it impressive that DeepSeek-V3 cost half as much as Sonnet or 4o to train? I guess so. But OpenAI and Anthropic are not incentivized to save five million dollars on a training run, they’re incentivized to squeeze every bit of model quality they can. DeepSeek are obviously incentivized to save money because they don’t have anywhere near as much.

https://www.seangoedecke.com/is-deepseek-fast/

The revelations regarding its cost structure, GPU utilization, and innovative capabilities position DeepSeek as a formidable player.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/research-exposes-deepseek-ai-training-165025904.html

^ fyi that article you linked to is an AI summary of a semianalysis.com article, maybe AI is useful after all ;)

If the models were actually getting substantially more efficient, we wouldn’t be talking about bringing new nuclear reactors online just to run it.

Youtube uses a fuck ton of power but is an incredibly efficient video delivery service

The growth and popularity of AI and its uses is simply outpacing the efficiency gains

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

they repeat what i said, did you read them? previously ai model training was entirely based on simply buying more chips as fast and as hard as possible, deepseek changed that

Yes, and it says exactly what I claimed. DeepSeek is an improvement, but not to the level initially reported. Not even close.

Youtube uses a fuck ton of power but is an incredibly efficient video delivery service

What a colossally stupid thing to say. We're not looking at starting up new nuclear reactors to run YouTube.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 3 days ago

DeepSeek is an improvement, but not to the level initially reported.

🫠 I cannot be any clearer:

previously ai model training was entirely based on simply buying more chips as fast and as hard as possible, deepseek changed that

[–] mr_account@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I've been convinced that scripts for several big budget films over the last few years have already been written by LLMs. Scripts for things like The Marvels and the last 2 Mission Impossible films (just the first couple that immediately come to mind) are stream-of-consciousness slop with inconsistent logic, jargon that makes no god damn sense, side characters and tangents that come out of nowhere and do nothing, and really forced 'member berries, because as Jay from RLM puts it; "nostalgia is the new cocaine!"

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Mission Impossible movies are stunts strung together with technobabble exposition. You don't need LLM for that.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Nah, they're just the results of a film industry who's spent decades running on the principle that the best qualification for getting into the industry is the willingness to kiss the asses of the people that were already there.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

I like The Marvels and I don't see any of those issues you're talking about. Examples?

[–] Kvoth@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Sounds like a Donald Trump speech

[–] vala@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

God. They really are going to do this. And then scream and cry when people hate it.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can bet that pitches for movies/ TV series are already written with LLMs and first drafts of scripts probably too.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

A bunch of first draft song lyrics, too. I know a lot of idea generation for songs has gone that way. Most songs in popular genres sit in the same basic scaffold so it's been easy for them to say "give me a (4, 6, or 8) line verse talking about such and such. Then give me a chorus that reinforces that idea. Ok, how do we move the second verse forward? Give me a couple of chorus variations. Big emotional high point bridge". Then they go through it with a scalpel to make it coherent and keep it flowing. Then they do another 10, varying the number of lines, the number of verses, or remove the bridge or whatever.

[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Have you seen how far it's come in just a few short months though? It's incredible the pace they've been achieving.

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Yeah it's actually gotten scary how fast it's been progressing. Even this post is outdated, the hand issues haven't been a problem in a while

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I feel like on image/video generation, I can agree that the recent months have shown a lot of progress.

I'm not so much feeling it on the text generation front, it's felt about the same to me for a while here, notably impressive, but still a bit... off...

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Probably there is a lower ceiling in text generation to things that are considered "progress" by everyone. People can verbalize exactly what is wrong with pictures and video, but for text, if it is coherent and gets the point across what is progress beyond passing the Turing test?

[–] helopigs@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yeah, I think the OP's take is really naive

the tools and models will get a lot better, but more importantly the end products that succeed will make measured, judicious use of AI.

there always has been slop, and people will always misuse tools and create abominations, but the heights of greatness that are possible are increasing with AI, not decreasing

[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I'm not even steeped in the depths of it. I've got friends who are using MCP and agents that can modify files on their own and work through problems over time and self-learn on your existing code, etc.

It's crazy and makes my head spin. Many of them were super skeptical early on but the tools that are being developed are absolutely BONKERS.

[+] Beldarofremulak@discuss.online -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

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[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

No AI developer presents it like it's static and in its final form. None. Not one of them. They are all racing for market share. We're seeing leaps and bounds of improvements in the shortest of timeframes, even in the open source sector.

And this zealotry doesn't even take into account that...humans make mistakes too. Much more than AI generates 'slop', there are a million garbage artists out there that produce complete trash. There are millions of people on the internet generating bad advice (Where's Mankrik's wife?).

I've seen people with this same attitude, attribute things incorrectly to AI slop because someone used an em-dash somewhere in their reply. So not only can't the detractors actually tell what's AI or not, their fundamentalist attitudes lead them to perceive every mistake as "AI SLOP".