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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sadly that war is not over yet. They're going to actively try to take it back. Gay marriage isn't safe and we shouldn't pretend it is.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not sure where you're talking about but in the US it's as safe as it will ever be short of an amendment to the Constitution.

At the national level it's protected by law in the Respect for Marriage Act, by case law precedent AND the constitution per Obergefell v. Hodges and its supported by ~70% of Americans by last polling.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like your optimism but the rule of law is rapidly becoming meaningless here.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not really optimism, just statements of fact. Same-sex marriage is as protected as it can be without an amendment.

Even if it was protected by amendment it wouldn't be protected from your 'doomer' scenario because that's a complete abandonment of governmental process and legal procedure.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Yes I think complete abandonment of those two things is a fantastic description of the current USA administration. It’s not doomerism, I just read the news.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Supreme Court Justices have hinted in arguments that they might want to revisit Obergefell. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to guess which ones.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

They can revisit it all they want.

The Respect for Marriage Act, signed into law in 2022, codifies federal protections for same-sex and interracial marriage, ensuring that marriages valid under state law are recognized federally, regardless of the couple's sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

Until Congress repeals the Respect for Marriage Act it's protected by law. Nothing SCOTUS can do about that.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (8 children)

To stop Losing the Culture Wars

The only winning move is not to play

No war but class war

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Surely the class war includes protecting marginalised groups of people

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The poor are one of those marginalized groups. Democrats have already abandoned them, and are now saying that they need to abandon other marginalized groups and then focus on class.

Of course, they'll get as far as abandoning marginalized groups and forget the rest.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 22 points 1 month ago

"wars", or really just disputes in general I guess since culture war is metaphorical, don't really work that way. It only takes one side to start one, and then the other side must either resist them or cede what the other wants, there's no option to just opt out of them without mutual desire to do so, and if someone has started one against you that desire obviously isn't there.

The issues considered "culture war" aren't inconsequential, they affect the lives of real people in material ways. Thus, trying to dismiss them as a distraction just means accepting harm to some people. If one wants a decent society, it is necessary to win both.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 17 points 1 month ago (27 children)

Do you mean that we should simply surrender to the right and let them oppress marginalized groups?

War has been declared, and we can't just plug our ears and pretend it's not happening.

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[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

That isn't not playing it's just making it bigger to include the broader spectrum

[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Tell me you didn’t even read the lede that directly ties it into the class war without telling me

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

This is why I posted this basically.

I am wondering can a culture war even be won? Aren't we allowing the conservatives to define the game to such extend that makes winning impossible?

And additionally are these wars even separate or one and the same but viewed through different lenses?

What do you think, oh wise people of the internet?

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This article is a very abbreviated version of the book that she recently published, "Outclassed: How the Left Lost the Working Class and How to Win Them Back". If you want to win, you have to address the core issues that the Dems have left behind. Republicans say the right things re: jobs, but they have no follow through, and they aren't doing anything to help reduce the anger against oligarchs. (And the right thing to do to reduce the anger would be eliminate the oligarchs.)

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago

Is it only about the US?

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I just watched a video of an enraged MAGAT. The tax cuts on overtime only applied to people making under 100k. No focus on the tax cuts at the top. Just mad all the tradesmen making over 100k didn’t get their free money. “Working class priorities” are rise to the top and pull up the ladder. They are “what about meeeee” and a side of “ill pay more to fuck over the gays and blacks”

We gotta acknowledge most people were appealing too are retarded selfish and evil.

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