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[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 172 points 12 hours ago (43 children)

You’re goddamn right I’m furious.

And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown. “Oh sorry; we’ll try again in 4 years” they say. Fuck your thoughts and prayers, how about do something. You won’t get a free election in 4 years, dummies.

Oh yeah, I realize you’re super busy and with your sportsball games and your reality TV marathons. Your inaction today will haunt your future.

And no this isn’t a call to action or a cry for help. We’re going to be just fine. You’re the ones who have to live there, and live with yourselves knowing you did nothing.

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[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 93 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

This headline is subtly dismissive.

"Angry" and "right now" both suggest a transient state. That's not what we're seeing.

"Canada has finally had enough of the USA" would be a more apt title; or "Canada reaches its breaking point."

Alongside of the #Never51 hashtag is an almost equally frequent #NeverGoBack. Canada, as a nation, as a people, are making the decision to go their own way, and never be so beholden to any country as we have been to the USA since 1959.

Never. Go. Back.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

I hope you're right, but the public's memory is short.

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[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 51 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I just hope people remember than even AFTER the government changes, the companies and people behind them are still the same.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 64 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

The anger I'm seeing isn't just at Trump, it's at Americans in general.

They voted for this lunatic, twice. How can we possibly trust that shit like this won't ever happen again?

[–] fishtaco@lemmy.ca 41 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

Not to mention the 1/3 of eligible voters who couldn't fucking be bothered to vote at all. Fuck them too.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 20 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Same in Ontario. Thanks for giving us Doug Ford 3 times in a row, non-voters.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Couldn’t agree more. It’s hard for North Americans to get off the couch to cast a ballot.

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[–] imvii@lemmy.ca 10 points 12 hours ago

It was over 1/3 of people who didn't vote.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Let's leave a little bit of anger for those at home who are enthusiastically supporting Poilievre. They would happily lead Canada down the same path as the USA.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 24 points 11 hours ago

That is a different anger budget

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

That's one of the biggest things. The first time they voted for Trump, we could forgive them, since it was hard to predict that he would be quite that awful. But this time? They knew. They knew what he was, what he stood for, and what he would do. They knew, and they chose him anyway.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 hours ago

Especially when he spent the four interim years purging the party of anyone not 100% faithful to him, and publicly upping the aggressive rhetoric.

Everyone outside the US who was paying attention saw this coming. If we were blindsided, it was only in how much he's been able to get away with so quickly; but we knew what most of his goals were.

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 27 points 12 hours ago

Oh the North Remembers.

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 47 points 5 hours ago (8 children)

The problem is that there is a not-insignificant number of people that want the US to annex Canada.

In the US, about 15% of Trump voters would support annexation of Canada, even if Canada didn't want it. That's about 1 in 7.

https://vancouversun.com/news/trump-51st-state-most-americans-have-no-interest-in-canada-annex

The disturbing thing is that about 18% of Canadian Conservatives would support annexation. That's almost 1 in 5. Most of us know five Conservatives, so chances are you know someone who is essentially a traitor. I think Conservative supporters need to be aware that this is the company they keep.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/large-majority-of-canadians-reject-trumps-annexation-overtures-poll-suggests/

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

That 18% number is based on polls that may be kinda susp, but even if it were true a lot of what I've heard from the dumbass gallery has been:

"Cool, then our dollar would finally be equal to USD" and "It'll be easier to get flights to the US and Disneyland" or "Then we can vote in a proper government they're and fix things"

I doubt the appetite for such goes much past a lack of critical thinking into what the realities would be

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This may be so but as we've seen in other contexts - e.g., Brexit and the last US election - these are exactly the people that can do incredible damage that can last generations.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 43 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I just was involved in a yelling match this morning about Polievre.

Just some background: I'm a farmer in N. Alberta. We farmers love coffee and visiting. There's half a dozen of us around the shop talking about this, and I safely would say everyone was against Trump, even weirdos that defended him during the election. Even then, though, I'd say the Trumpists here were about 1:10. Now it's zero.

But one person tried to stand up for Polievre this morning, saying he wasn't going to back down to Trump. Everyone else, and these are all what you would call older men, between 50 and 70, had a crack at this guy. The prevailing attitude is that Polievre isn't telling the truth, doesn't have our backs, and nobody is willing to take the chance that he's not lying.

That's in backwoods, buttfuck Alberta. I don't know if this holds true across the prairies, but this is an area where the word Liberal is an epithet. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the CPC get decimated at this point, even in rural ridings.

I'm worried Trump will back down when an election is called, and it will take the edge off, and Polievre will get in. I don't trust the fucker, but most rural voters just need the barest hint of a reason to not vote for the Liberals. In the end, nothing that happens west of Ontario matters, but I imagine if it's like this here, it's way more obvious in the East.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I live in the Ottawa region and the attitude around here is simply that Trump handed the Liberals the win. I don't think this election is unsalvageable for the Conservatives (and frankly I think it's dangerous to think so) but they've got a mountain to climb, that's for sure.

Ontario's demographic in Toronto and Ottawa could be summed up as "urban conservative". Interestingly many of them think of themselves as left-wing or progressive and think the same of the Liberals. The reality is very different: they view public servants, the poor, and any other right-wing punching bags as undesirables, they protest any efforts to get housing built, and they even harass striking workers. But hey they're down with "the gays" so they're forward thinking right?

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 38 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

What I can say for sure is the odds that there will be some kind of political or economic rupture between the US and Canada that lasts decades into the future have gone up substantially just over the course of the past few months.

Yup. Trump's legacy will not be a glowing one at all.

[–] imvii@lemmy.ca 32 points 12 hours ago

I doubt that. He fucked up the first time around, broke shit, wrecked things, stole classified documents, convicted of 34 felons, stole PPE from blue states to kill them during covid and millions needlessly died during covid. What happened? Nothing. People don't really remember any of that. He was never punished for any of his actions or crimes.

Trump is the prime example of American hubris and apathy.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 hours ago

It might be a glowing one. I'm more worried about nuclear war now than I have been since the late '80s.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Trump’s legacy will not be a glowing one at all.

It might literally be glowing at this rate. Also smouldering.

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Damn right we are fucking mad.

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 23 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Trump's goal was to sow division

Everything's going to plan

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago

as instructed by daddy putin

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[–] Deadeyegai@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

As they should be. This administration is trying to bully them into being the 51st state for absolutely no reason. So dumb and unnecessary!

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is ruining relationship with all of our allies to set up to flip on Russian side.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Canada is surrounded by the USA to the south and Russia to the north. Trump and Putin will be working something out. Being on friendly terms with the USA was foundational to Canada's security, and now it's gone.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

"Great state of Canada"...

To be fair, I heard a news anchorwoman in British Columbia refer to the US as "the lower provinces" lol. I had never heard this before, but since it was used casually on a newscast I assumed it was a fairly common expression. Maybe Bonespurs heard about that and got a burr in his diaper.

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 11 points 12 hours ago
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