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Tim Walz says he and Harris were too ‘safe’ during 2024 presidential campaign (www.theguardian.com)

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Summary

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has criticized the Harris-Walz 2024 presidential campaign for playing it too "safe," saying they should have held more in-person events and town halls.

In a Politico interview, Walz—known for labeling Trump and Vance as "weird"—blamed their cautious approach partly on the abbreviated 107-day campaign timeline after Harris became the nominee in August.

Using football terminology, he said Democrats were in a "prevent defense" when "we never had anything to lose, because I don't think we were ever ahead."

While acknowledging his share of responsibility for the loss, Walz is returning to the national spotlight and didn't rule out a 2028 presidential run, saying, "I'm not saying no."

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[–] BillDaCatt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

If they had focused their campaign on helping the middle class, helping the poor, and acknowledged that Palestinians are people too, they would have a chance.

If they focused on environmental issues and the rights of individuals they would have had a chance.

If they had called Trump a criminal, because he is, at every stop, they would have had a chance.

If they did all of those things, and meant it, they would have won!

Instead they tried to appeal to business owners, Republicans who don't like Trump, and people with money. That's not what Democrats want. That's not who Democrats are. That, is why they lost.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not only that, but they stuck to the corporate response on nearly every single question. They almost never went off script and it was just so fucking obvious and robotic. And for me, Tim's complete lack of consideration for truth and evidence on its face and in a vacuum was nothing less than trumpian. In RL, I lie about being an OIF Veteran. At first it was shame, guilt, and self destructive tendencies but I've been to a LOT of therapy and I'm living better. But during that time I realized that there were others who would speak a bit more "freely" about things they may have done. If they assume you know nothing about the military then they can say whatever they want. Hearing someone mince words about their service is fairly common and IMHO - innocuous. It's a nothing burger of exaggeration. Had Tim just admitted what was clearly on video and just said, "I was using more colorful language to affect the crowd, my bad." I would have honestly commended him.

Instead, they lied. About the most mundane shit imaginable.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh man, I remember that lie, that was fucking cringe inducing. It's always better to tell the truth, especially if you're a bad liar, like Walz apparently is. The whole VP debate was pretty disappointing, because it felt like Walz spent the whole time pulling punches and playing softball, while Vance was his usual greasy self.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol, Vance. I swear his face reminds me of what a ken dolls face looks like when you try to fold it onto itself from the forehead.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

How the fuck is this true? How did you even make this observation?! Outstanding.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I grew up with sisters. They were tricksters and knew that I would spend hours playing with their Barbie dolls on the empty promise to come into the woods and throw rocks at things. So their Barbie dolls always ended up marrying deformed ken. It was the only way I could cope with those dreadfully dull things. Folding his face over was my go-to move. My sisters hated that. Now he's our VP. And I hate it. When I had enough I would put my thumb under kens chin and pop his head off like I was flipping a coin. Now I just flick my thumb at a screen when I see his dumb face on it. The mental imagery is euphoric enough to cope these days.

👍 Couch fucker

[–] cavtroop@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That’s not who Democrats are.

unfortunately, yes, it is

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

This and/or healthcare for all, and it wouldnt have even been close, they would have won easily

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And you don't even have to deliver on it, just say you will. It worked for Obama.

[–] tischbier@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

I’m going to shut down Gitmo! - Obama, 2006

And here we are almost 20 years later and GOP is sending Ausländers to expanding gitmo camps.

[–] tischbier@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Harris did campaign on health care for all though, right?

Either way, I agree with everyone. I have a suspicion that Harris team started out the gate with very loud messaging around social economic programs they wanted to push.

Then they got reeled in by the donor class. There’s a distinct dampening on clear message a few weeks after the confusion was settled. This is just my little theory though. I think the messaging is vague on purpose to please the wealthy donors.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"the middle class" does not exist, they should focus on helping the homeless, jobless and working class.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If they had focused their campaign on helping the middle class

I agree with most of that except this. They basically ONLY focused on the middle class. All the tax break incentives were great. But they never offered a damn thing for the working class. And that's who they SHOULD have focused on.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

They basically ONLY focused on the middle class.

Be fair. They also focused on moderate republicans.

Combined, the two constituencies are like 7 people.

[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They were too far right. They pursued the "moderate republican" vote and lost spectacularly.

It is a politically suicidal idea. But they just can't stop themselves. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is what they do best.

[–] Davin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No excuse for the DNC, but I think seeking the "moderate Republicans" is a condition of their big donors. Every time the Democrats lose, since Reagan won, they move right because they think they lost because they weren't conservative enough. And despite all polling that suggests otherwise, they keep doing it.

In general, they would get more money and power if they won, so why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot every fucking time? In my mind, even if you factor in that they don't give a shit about the common people and are motivated by money, it only makes sense if they are being manipulated by their big donors to do this stupid shit.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Every time the Democrats lose, since Reagan won, they move right because they think they lost because they weren’t conservative enough.

That was true thru Obama but it stopped with Biden. Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ, even though Dem voters could have chosen even more progressive candidates.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ

Centrists' big lie.

[–] gatohaus@eviltoast.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And the Dems are, mostly, still too safe. They need to start fighting while they still have a chance of stopping the insanity.

Step 1: Schumer needs to step down.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not just Chuck but the whole leadership of the Democrat party needs to go.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The entire party needs to go. Let it burn and be replaced by a workers party that represents us.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Let it burn and be replaced by a workers party that represents us.

That went horribly wrong in Russia. It turned out Lenin and Stalin didn't represent anybody besides themselves. And their main targets weren't people on the right, it was the other 2 socialist parties, the Socialist Revolutionaries and the Mensheviks.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago

Liberals know as much about communism, and workers rights as Republicans. None