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  • Volkswagen beat Tesla in European EV sales across the first three months of 2025, data shows.
  • Registrations for VW EVs are up more than 150%, while Tesla lost huge ground.
  • However, the Model Y and Model 3 remain Europe's top two most-registered EVs.
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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 70 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

In fact it's even more crazy if you consider VW group:

Tesla Total 53,237

VW Group:
VW 65,679
Audi 34,739
Skoda 26,578
Cupra (SEAT) 18,878
Porsche 9,929

VW Group total 155,803

ratio 155803/53237 = 2.93
VW group has almost 3 times higher sales than Tesal!!

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/vw-finally-beats-tesla-outselling-it-in-q1-ev-sales-in-europe/

PS:
Stellantis:
Peugeot 24,397
Citroen 16,367
Opel 13,612
FIAT 6,825
Stellantis Total 61,201

Stellantis manages to clearly beat Tesla too!!

Edit: I forgot FIAT in the Stellantis numbers.

[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 36 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Watch out for BYD from China.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 25 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 11 points 10 hours ago

I've seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.

[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

We have them, but people don't seem to be too eager to buy.

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I live in Germany and I would love to buy a chinese EV but I just can't find any place that sells them. You just can't really order cars online from China like you can with other products.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen some BYD here in Germany. No clue where they were bought though.

And that ugly Ora whatever cat. I've seen that as well 😵‍💫

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Weird here in Denmark they have a map of dealers on their homepage?
They have dealers pretty well distributred throughout the country.

https://www.bydauto.dk/find-forhandler

Same in Germany:
https://www.byd.com/de/find-store

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You have the best stuff. If it weren't that far, just for some sauce...

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Looks nice, unfortunately it's pretty inconvenient for me to get to Sweden, although we have the bridge from Copenhagen, it's 1½ hour drive to get to it.

But if all goes well, we will get the Femern connection to Germany in 4 years, and that's only a ½ hour drive. 😀

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No worries, I think it's Finnish anyway 😂

But it seems to be available in Denmark as well. This one is from Sweden, the last few were from Norway.

I mean, if I have the car full of booze on the way up, I can at least fill it up with mustard on the way back.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well the label is entirely in Swedish.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You're right, I just checked. They're from Eslöv. Don't know why I thought of Finland. Anyways, time for BBQ.

Edit: Skåne even is on the label 😂

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 hours ago

Thanks, didn't know this existed

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.

I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don't want a car made in China.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 21 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I'm surprised.

I'm guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids? In the two or three European countries I visit often you definitely see more of those, at least anecdotally. But maybe London City techbros and finance bros outweight everybody else? That seems plausible.

I have to say, I find all of these reports and investor analyses on Tesla's PR woes way too optimistic about how well they'll recover if and when Musk "steps away from the government". I really don't think that genie is going back in the bottle, guys.

[–] troed@fedia.io 21 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Don't know about "London City techbros and finance bros" but in Sweden and Norway we prefer pure EV over hybrids.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 9 points 16 hours ago

Fair. That's the problem of reporting about Europe or even just the EU as a unit. Big place, lots of cultural differences, lots of size differences in economies and populations across those cultures.

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I never really understood the deal about hybrids anyway. To me, it just seems like the worst of both worlds. One of the coolest things about EVs is that you can just charge it at home but wirth a hybrid you need to charge it in addition to also driving to the gas station to fill up the tank. The battery is also way smaller, so the electric engine doesn't take you very far anyway. And whatever engine you're using, you always have to carry the weight of the other system. And since you have both, doesn't that mean that there's way more that can break too?

And that's just talking about plug-in hybrids, the ones that generate electricity using a combustion engine just seem like ICE vehicles with extra steps.

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

A plug-in hybrid is cool, to me, in that I can charge it and use it as pure EV for my daily commutes, but if I forget/am unable to charge it it don't have to worry for a second. And I don't need to worry about the range on my 500km roundtrip to my cabin (full charge + full tank equals ~1100km range on my Prius).

Also, fuel consumption is relatively low, so whenever I do have to burn fuel I'm not breaking the bank.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Plug-in hybrids alleviate range anxiety.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

So the hybrid in the name refers to the combined function as a vehicle and a psychological crutch? Would that make those aggressive looking pickup trucks hybrids as well?

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'd prefer a Swedish salary over my hungarian, while we are at it

/s, obviously

[–] troed@fedia.io 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I understand, and really hope you will be able to get rid of Orban so that the economic conditions in Hungary can get (much) closer to the EU mean.

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Gosh, i have been rooting for that since i can vote, and that is more than 20 years now

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I’m surprised.

Not only that, A few years ago, Tesla was as big as all the rest combined!

I’m guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids?

That's how it should be, but in most cases it's not. 100% battery is called BEV now. But BEV sales have far surpassed plugin Hybrid (PHEV).

IMO a Hybrid plugin or not is NOT electric just as it is NOT an ICE, it's a hybrid of the 2! But Hybrids are generally counted as EV.

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[–] Ziggurat@fedia.io 15 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Tesla understood that Batteries are expensive so let's make a fancy car so customer are OK to pay for the batteries main brand either didn't have an EV or tried to make a cheap electric car, cutting down the autonomy (e.g. the Renault Zoe). Add the whole We're a progressive company, so we give Tesla rather than diesel mercedes to our executive and Tesla was the main player on the niche market for a decade.

However, as electric car stop being a Niche, every brand has now several electrical models, from a affordable urban one_ to a comfortable and fancy one, If you can afford a Mercedes, Tesla is still an option (but then there is Musk personality not helping) but if you ain't rich, you can go to Volkswagen or Renault depending on how broke you are

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[–] Asetru@feddit.org 7 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Your point is purely anecdotal. I see lots of Teslas where I live, so there's that. I also see more BEVs than PHEVs, which is also in line with sales figures.

So, to be blunt, I think your perception is skewed or wrong.

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[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Hybrids are not electric vehicles. They are a thing of the past to appease the „range anxiety“ crazed people.

They maybe had a justification to exist until 6 or 7 years ago.

It was always wrong to count those as true electric vehicles.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Cool.

So, anyway.

I mean, plug-in hybrids are what they are, and in Europe in particular there's way less charging infrastructure, way more people living in apartments without the ability to set up a home charge station and way more anxiety about charging full electric EVs as a consequence, depending on the region. Hybrids are whatever, plug-in hybrids seem like a reasonable way to bridge that gap.

But I'm already entertaining this conversation way more than I want, because it's going to lead off on a tangent and I don't want to go on that tangent and we're going to end up in how public transport is the real answer and there are millions of threads here to go rehash that conversation.

So anyway.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

in Europe in particular there's way less charging infrastructure

That's the opposite of reality in many cases.

For example, Scandinavia, Germany, and the Benelux countries have better charging networks AND much shorter distances between major population centers than the US in general.

way more people living in apartments without the ability to set up a home charge station

Would have been relevant a decade ago, but now there's public chargers at more and more parking lots and highway rest stops plus at least one major gas station chain has chargers at every station here in Denmark.

I have no doubt that conditions are even better in places like Norway and Sweden where they started adapting much earlier than we did.

way more anxiety about charging full electric EVs as a consequence, depending on the region

Bolded the only part you've been right about so far.

plug-in hybrids seem like a reasonable way to bridge that gap.

They were back when the battery technology and charging infrastructure wasn't in place to support fully transitioning to EVs, but most of Europe is way ahead of you, so as a rule rather than an exception, hybrids are an unnecessary concession, Democratic Party style.

But I'm already entertaining this conversation way more than I want, because it's going to lead off on a tangent and I don't want to go on that tangent and we're going to end up in how public transport is the real answer and there are millions of threads here to go rehash that conversation

TL;DR: you're wrong and tired of trying to justify your false assumptions, so you try to preempt the logic conclusion that many have reached by implying that it's wrong and/or or tedious.

[–] asdfbla@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 14 hours ago

I live in Germany and wanted to buy a new car 2 years ago. I live in the city in a rented apartment. I can't charge at Work, and neither at home. So I would have to use only public charging stations , the nearest is almost 2km away. Plus, public charging stations are so expensive that you pay more per km than gas for a ICE car (excluding maintenance costs obviously)

I actually wanted to buy an EV, but since I can't charge it, even though I live in a city, I couldn't

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[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 20 points 8 hours ago
[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Somewhat amazed they've rebounded this much given the VW emission scandal some years back. Guess it wasn't that brand-damaging after all.

[–] Robbity@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago

Barely made a dent commercially, but put the company in a difficult financial situation where build quality was a bit lower and cars a bit more expensive for a while.

The point of these punishments should never be to kill a company, but to hurt investors, who are ultimately responsible for setting the CEOs agenda.

And, well, VW stock is still down about -80% compared to pre-dieselgate. So I would say eurocapitalism working as intended.

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[–] Clanket@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

On my second ID4, and the wife has our first ID3. Lovely cars to drive, will never go back to an ice car again.

[–] RecallMadness@lemmy.nz 3 points 5 hours ago

Why a second? Your first couldn’t have been any more than 5 years old.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 2 points 5 hours ago

What's your opinion on used ID4s from 2021ish? Used ones are surprisingly cheap to get and I'm a little unsure why that is

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

“What a tweest!”

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

After Krasnov was elected, all big ticket items are on hold for at least two years. Bravo Volkswagen Group kicking Tesla in the nutsacks. Carry on!

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yet teslas stock is skyrocketing….how is this happening?!!?

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

I have always been a Toyota guy, and recently driving a Toyota corolla hybrid made me want that car.

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