No way this is real.
The waiter would have said "Non."
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I'm a french vegetarian living in France after living 6 years in Scotland, France is years behind on the diet inclusion issue, I was shocked how difficult it was to find a place to eat out in Paris, way too many cafe/restaurant/etc.. gets defensive and refuse to serve you if you don't have the "historical diet" (whatever that means) of france, and a lot of them don't offer any "common alternative diet" options on the menu. And it's not better outside of Paris.
Then of course there are some great places that try to include everyone regardless of their diet, and they are increasing in numbers, but they are still the exception rather than the norm which is a shame.
If you ever goes in Paris and looking for a fully vegetarian classy restaurant, I recommand "Polichinelle", it's a bit on the expensive side (~50 euro/person), but it's high level cuisine, and for a special occasion it's really worth it.
Did they mention that milk comes from cows and not oats?
You can indeed create milk without requiring a cow.
True enough. But not from an oat.
Also from oat.
juice from oat. milk from titties.
So if we would create milk in a lab, which is chemically identical to e.g. cow's milk, but without any udder secretion involved, that wouldn't be milk?
What is milk if not just fatty water with a couple of nutrients?
Our concept of "milk" goes beyond mere mammary gland secretes.
So if we would create milk in a lab, which is chemically identical to e.g. cow’s milk,
That's just it. You can't.
I can't no. But other people can.
We can already create meat in a lab. Milk is coming as well.
See for example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/daphneewingchow/2025/02/24/first-lab-grown-whole-cows-milk-to-debut-in-the-us/
I am not a vegan but oat milk lattes are the best lattes. They are creamy, rich with flavor that's perfectly aligned w the coffee, lower in calories & more sustainable than classic dairy.
Everyone should try them once at least.
as they should. i dont like american culture, where some people seem to think it is ok to take an item of the menu and alter pretty much everything about it.
btw: if you want to be treated like a king in france... look up history
I mean if it's for a meal I get you but being mad about different type of milk for coffee is crazy
Do they even have it in the shop? Should a cafetier store every type of plant base milk in their pantry just in case someone ask for an off-menu variation? It is not either the job of the waiter to run at the shop to find oat milk.
in case someone ask for an off-menu variation?
Stuff like a plant-based alternative shouldn't even be "off-menu". The problem already starts here.
Coffee is plant-based. It is not that weird that a plant-based version of the un-veganised version of a plant-based beveurage is off-menu.
We wanted to order pizza and I told my girlfriend (who is Italian) that I might order Pizza Hawaii. Her reflexes kicked in and she bit me.
So tasty that she had to get at the residuals
oats aren't mamals, can't see how he could possibly get milk from it.
Same for almonds and everything else.
I also don't order cow juice.
The word 'milk' in the English language has been used to describe plant-based milks for at least 800 years. Soy milk and Almond milk as beverages have been around for at least 1000 years.
You're ahistorical proscriptive definition is just bullshit gatekeeping. You are wrong and should feel bad about yourself over it.
an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.
bullshit gatekeeping. You are wrong and should feel bad about yourself over it.
Jeez man how can you be so triggered and fanatic about something?
Touch some grass
A word has multiple definitions.
In English (or French), milk can also describe a while liquid. There are six definitions for milk on Wiktionnary, and here is the second one:
(uncountable, by extension) A white (or whitish) liquid obtained from a vegetable source such as almonds, coconuts, oats, rice, or soy beans
There is also something called cement milk
A watery film of a dull white or gray color often appears on the surface. This white matter is the so-called cement milk.
I was walking under a decrepit elevated expressway and there were signs saying to be careful about cement milk dripping from the ceiling. I don't think there's any mammal involved in producing that type of milk.
Yes you make a good point.
Cement milk is not a food liquid, words are made up all the time and they already have the word juice.
They should find a new one.
I am glad that Wiktionary had this: Following a European Union (EU) court ruling in 2017, the term milk cannot legally be used to market purely plant-based products
Proscriptive definitions aren't how language works, and never have been.
I like that wordds have meaning. Whatever it is, milk or juice, it shouldn't get you to react like that.
Words do have meaning. And the meaning of the word "milk" has included plant milk for at least 800 years.
I don't like when people with 0 understanding of the context or history of something act indignant about something they are so clearly and demonstrably wrong about.
You can not like it, IDC but have some manners
By sibling in satan, you are the one who posted an unnecessarily contrarian comment as a top-level reply in this thread and then getting all bent outta shape upon being corrected.
Can you read?
See it as contrarian or not, "bullshit gatekeeping. You are wrong and should feel bad about yourself over it" is what he wrote.
This unstable guy is clearly the one bent outta shape.
Now stop milking this and do something useful with your time.
Bye now.
Cope, seethe, mald 💅
do something useful with your time.
That was before I read you are an anarchist, now I know it's not possible
Don't get all condescending about something you're clueless on if you don't like being called out on it.
You've got a case of the projections.
I am actually discussing here with civil people who disagree, what I don't like is some illmanered reaction from a clearly unstable person, triggered by 'milk.
So go away.
Lol what an original joke.
that is a surprisingly normal reaction, unlike the unhinged extravagantly vileresponses I got from daring to make a joke about their precious oats.
Man people get triggered fast.
Why do you think milk can only come from mammals?
That's the definition of milk, so yes