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[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'll preface this by saying I'm not an expert, and I don't like to speak authoritatively on things that I'm not an expert in, so it's possible I'm mistaken. Also I've had a drink or two, so that's not helping, but here we go anyways.

In the article, the author quips on a tweet where they seem to fundamentally misunderstand how LLMs work:

I tabbed over to another tab, and the top post on my Bluesky feed was something along these lines:

ChatGPT is not a search engine. It does not scan the web for information. You cannot use it as a search engine. LLMs only generate statistically likely sentences.

The thing is… ChatGPT was over there, in the other tab, searching the web. And the answer I got was pretty good.

The tweet is correct. The LLM has a snapshot understanding of the internet based on its training data. It's not what we would generally consider a true index based search.

Training LLMs is a costly and time consuming process, so it's fundamentally impossible to regenerate an LLM in the same order of magnitude of time it takes to make a simple index.

The author fails to address any of these issues, which suggests to me that they don't know what they're talking about.

I suppose I could conceded that an LLM can fulfill a similar role that a search engine traditionally has, but it'd kinda be like saying that a toaster is an oven. They're both confined boxes which heat food, but good luck if you try to bake 2 pies at once in a toaster.

[–] UnbrokenTaco@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think chat gpt does web searches now, maybe for the reasoning models. At least it looks like it's doing that.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

One doesn't't need to know how an engine works to know the Ford pinto was a disaster

One doesn't need tknow how llms work to know they are pretty destructive and terrible

Nite I'm not going to argue this. It's just how things are now, and no apologetics will change what it is.