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You're defying the goal of the group by asking a quite stupid question. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, etc. They caused a lot of suffering, destroyed the foundations of democracy for their own gain, and you're at the whims of if someone knows what they're doing, because they consult almost nobody.
Why not just say that?
Yeah, but it amounts to asking "why is slavery bad?" You can understand why people, mostly as it is rising across the world, aren't exactly happy that it's even a question.
I said it's a stupid question, not that you're stupid BTW. But a quick Wikipedia read is enough to see that it's not good news that many countries are kinda heading that way.
Using authoritarianism to silence the question is not the win you seem to think it is. This shit is gross
Authoritarianism is by the leader of a state or a territory, not by some random dude on Lemmy. Seriously go read the Wikipedia page at least.
It starts with us.
I came here to get away from censorship, not join it. We need places for open discussion but I'm starting to see that this isn't it either.
This was an opportunity to actually have a discussion about the topic and reinforce virtues of freedom, but it is doing the opposite and illustrating the descent to authoritarianism.
Fine, start your own place for all the questions you want.
Which you can do here. Unlike in an authoritarian system.
We used to say the same thing about the internet as a whole, and then the big tech companies crowded out all the smaller options, started controlling narratives and we ended up where we are at now.
I don't want to see the same thing happen with Lemmy instances. We are on the ground floor.
I get that, but this isn't yours to control. So if you want to change the rules (which that instance shows in the sidebar and which the mod showed how op broke two different rules in one of the many replica offended posts this sealion made after getting a comment deleted), make your own instance and don't force it on everyone else.
Yep, that's part of my point.
I've already blocked the community over this. Know any alternatives?
Just want to make sure I understand, you blocked a community because they removed a post that broke their rules?
Yes. I disagree with their rules and their enforcement of them, and this exposed that. So I wont participate in it.
What else would you have me do in that scenario?
It's not like I pour over each community's rules before reading any content that surfaces from them.
Because as the mod that removed the post, I'd like to give you my perspective if you'll let me.
As mods it's mayhem if you don't enforce your rules, which is all I was trying to do, we have each rule to keep the community from getting out of control and offtopic. If we had no rules, the community would be filled with a bunch of trolls and offtopic posts.
IMO OP has proved multiple times now that their question was not in good-faith, and they were seeking out arguments (check their other comments) and drama (see the 13 posts).
Icing on the cake: we left their rephrased question up to avoid more of this drama, OP still kept posting the screenshots.
Thanks for taking the time to break it down.
I agree that he isn't acting in good faith, but silencing the discussion is (would be) the bigger issue to me than some silly troll.
I really appreciate your response and reasoning. I don't have an issue with logistical moderation (e.g. duplicate threads) but I'm extremely adverse to moderation of actual topics for what should be obvious reasons.
Given that you left the other thread up, I think I can put away the pitchfork for now. I'll have a look at your rules, and hopefully find myself satisfied and participating in your community.
Well thanks for understanding. The question itself was not a problem, hopefully that helps as well.
Look at the parody where i posted an equally vague post in 'ask lemmy' just moments earlier? Where is my bad faith? Where is my trolling?
https://lemmy.world/post/26618329
This isn't even my first post on your sub. Look at any of the other posts I contributed.
What agenda am I pushing?
Sounds like you've just got it out for me.
Here i am in your "top year"
https://lemmy.world/post/24898604
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Not going to argue with you about it here, but the short is: if that's true, when I messaged you, you should have just had a conversation with me about it instead of all of this.
Have a good one.
Cause I was getting trolled in the same thread trying not to get frustrated with people!
Not an excuse.
What's your excuse. You could have directed me to clarify.
This has all been ridiculous.
Have a good one.
You're ridiculous
This screenshot:
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Ridiculous
Rule 5:
No baiting, sealioning, or promoting an agenda.
The fact that you’re spamming this in a bunch of community to pick fights perfectly illustrates the violation of this rule.
So… IMHO- Your post was rightfully removed and done without the irony you’re implying. Despite what you might think, It’s not authoritarian to eject disruptive content.
Any of these other questions fall under your definition of baiting? In your opinion?
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Edit: Why not check tenor of any of the many other posts I've created and participated in?
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I’m not going to argue with you. I’m just pointing out something I felt needed to be said.
We are the same in this way.
No, we aren’t.
The fundamental difference is, I’m not posting what I felt needed to be said across multiple communities and fighting with everyone that tries to tell me that this isn’t the way to go about getting one’s point across- you are.
I'm just pointing out something that I feel needs to be said. I don't want to argue.
No. You’re trolling. And you are very well aware of it.
Read the room. And then stop doing it.
You're trolling me now.
Pointing out in a reasonable manner what you did wrong so as to answer the countless times you’ve asked across 14 communities?
No, I don’t think I am. But you’re welcome to appeal to the admins of LW by reporting this response to them.
I’m not going to feed your need to debate this any further. I’ve said what I felt you needed to know.
Enjoy your…. Whatever this is.
Stop. Please. You say you don't want to argue then you start arguing again. Please. Im sorry I upset you. It will be ok.
I didn't break any of their rules. They just selectively chose to decide i was trolling when I was actually getting trolled in the thread.
Don't care. I don't care about your sealioning either.
It is my view that some things should be dealt with through downvotes and discussion, not moderation. Especially when we are talking about authoritarianism of all fucking things.
Moderation in my view is an extreme measure that shouldn't be enacted lightly. And I only want to participate in communities that share that view.
I was getting sealioned.
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You're going to lose what appears to be your only defender if you maintain that bullshit rhetoric.
Lol bye.
Removing CSAM is censorship. Removing hatespeech is censorship. What you call censorship is just moderation, and it's necessary.
Libertarian free speech is a pipe dream, and trying to implement it always ends up giving a platform to bad actors like Nazis and child predators. Nobody here wants to recreate 4chan and 8chan except people who have an agenda.
OP appeared to break the rules and then followed up in that same community with a snarky jab at the moderators, rather than having a discussion with the mods like an adult.
Here. Witness the definitely earnest questions from OP that the mean ol' moderators removed. /s
They're intentionally hiding that bit, because they don't want you to have a full picture of what they did and why they're now spamming as many communities as possible to get sympathy.
I agree he wasn't acting in good faith, but I'm more concerned with any would-be censorship than a silly troll. The moderator actually reached out to me and explained the scenario, and pointed out that they actually left one of their duplicate posts up.
I'm pretty happy with how the particular situation has gone down, but I do still stand by my initial comments and my principles on censorship.
Mods handled it appropriately and sealion is an idiot, misrepresenting the scenario. but that was a given.