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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 114 points 2 days ago (28 children)

New cars absolutely do have dipsticks; they're the ones designing them.

Notwithstanding the potential for software bugs or other issues inherent with monitoring oil levels only digitally, monitoring just the oil level is not the sole purpose of the dipstick. Being able to physically see a sample of the engine oil is a vital diagnostic tool and can alert an owner or mechanic to a head gasket problem or other oil contamination issue, or if something is grinding metal shavings into the oil, etc.

For what it's worth I have yet to actually physically see a new vehicle without an oil dipstick. I guess they're out there, but so far I've been lucky. But I have already had quite a few automatic transmission equipped cars without a transmission dipstick cross my path, and that's already enough of a pain in the ass. If you're lucky there's a side plug in the transmission case you can use to check the fluid condition and level (after crawling under the vehicle...) but in a lot of cases there isn't even that -- your only recourse is to drop the transmission pan off entirely, which causes you to lose all the fluid in the process. And you'll probably also have to replace the gasket while you're at it. Needless to say, this is an incredibly moronic design decision.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 days ago (7 children)

For what it's worth I have yet to actually physically see a new vehicle without an oil dipstick.

It seems to be mostly a euro thing. BMW stopped using oil dipsticks nearly 2 decades ago. Land Rover also somewhere in the late 00's.

But I agree it's a moronic idea. Not only does it prevent you from checking oil condition like you said; if it's after an oil change, it takes about 15min just to check the level (and another 15 if you messed it up). At $150+/hr shop rates, that adds up.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I used to be a lube tech in a different life 15 years ago and would occasionally see vehicles without dipsticks. Like you said the German brands like BMW and Mercedes but also Chrysler vehicles like the 300 and Magnum had a tube for the transmission dipstick but no dipstick inside of it just a cap on the tube.

[–] Tab981@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At that time, Chrysler was owned by Daimler and shared a lot of stuff with Mercedes.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The NAG1 transmission some 300s used in Europe at least, is in fact the venerable Mercedes 722.6

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

That transmission was used in the US as well, before they switched to a ZF trans.

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