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[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I agree with you, but my point from the start here (which I should've said more clearly) was that this doesn't mean Apple must open up in response (and by default), which would leave us with no good centralized, minimalistic option either.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But you don't have Google available as an option due to sanctions, right? It doesn't have anything to do with other options being available. The same would go for Apple - they could be cut away with sanctions, and having other options wouldn't preclude the default option from existing.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How do other app stores on Android lead to Google stuff not being available? There's no connection, the reason is sanctions.

How would other app stores on iOS lead to Apple stuff not being available?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not saying having other app stores on Android nor iOS lead/will lead to them being unavailable. I'm saying there needs to be an option with a single app store and set of services. Having multiple app stores on Apple and very easily installable would cause similar issues with RAM and usability for the less initiated, and everyone was uninitiated once.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Other app stores on Android don't necessarily lead to issues with RAM and usability. They don't have to re-implement the Google framework stuff.

The same would go for Apple, and people will simply have options. Sure, they'll have to learn about them, but they have to learn about many things in life! And it's not like Apple will suddenly allow others to re-implement their SDK.

But there's no reason to discuss hypotheticals here, as this is currently playing out in the EU. We should be seeing the issues you mention, but we don't.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They don't have to re-implement the Google framework stuff.

Most of these apps don't in China either. But you do need to reimplement an update-checker. And that's enough to hog the RAM. And with the RAM already hogged, the window shattered, little optimization of the update-checker is done.

Sure, they'll have to learn about them, but they have to learn about many things in life!

They won't learn about it if it becomes the norm to have RAM hogged.

this is currently playing out in the EU

No, you have to go through complicated bureaucracy and fees to become an independent app store for iOS. Anyone who goes through this is probably competent enough to optimize their update-checker.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have three app stores installed on my Android, yet none hog my RAM. This is a non-issue (especially since an update checker doesn't run all the time, only on infrequent intervals which are triggered by the OS itself).

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 6 days ago

You are initiated enough to consciously avoid junk apps.