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In semirelated news, I called a Swasticar an AfrikanerKar recently, and somehow attracted a person dedicated to explaining to me how me using such a term is actually gross and racist and I should feel bad about it.
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I mean yeah. Afrikaner is basically any white south african with dutch roots. associating them with musk is a dick move
Are you, as well, entirely unaware of the hyper racist history of Afrikaners, as well as their current, still existing, pretty fucking extreme amounts of racism?
I've known Germans, exchange students, who can laugh along with an obviously in jest Nazi themed/jab at them. Hell, they'd make the jokes themselves first, and then quickly become extremely serious and say 'no but for real all that shit was extremely bad'.
I, as a white American, can laugh along when a Native American friend gets a bit miffed at me and makes a joke about me giving him beads for gold, or something to that effect... I can also laugh when I tell a Black friend I love this old blues guitar artist so much its inspired me to try out the style on my guitar, and he says 'hey as long as you don't steal all the credit.'
Fuck man, half my cousins are Jewish and they are absolutely the masters of making basically racist stereotype jokes against themselves, totally unprompted.
If I couldn't laugh at those things, if the German exchange student couldn't laugh at the Nazi jests... that, that is what would indicate there may be some deep rooted insecurity stemming from not coming to grips with ... history, and being able to laugh at its follies.
Oh right and of course there's also Italian Americans... I am significantly of Italian American heritage, and most of us just unironically love all the Italian American jokes and such, even though the actual Italians and Sicillians have basicslly disowned us at this point rofl.
Many of my Latino friends as well just unironically laugh along with many of the Latino characterizations and jokes... I think you can look up some articles, with polling data backing them, on how like, most Latinos actually do just think Speedy Gonzales is awesome (though of course 'Slow Lopez' is MUCH less well recieved), and how the Yo Quiero Taco Bell chihuahua was actually quite popular, but basically cancelled by white people being afraid of appearing/promoting racist tropes.
You can literally just ask people what they do and do not find offensive, instead of taking on your white man's burden of having to do all that white-knight, racism protection on your own, without any actual input from who you are 'protecting'.
Even most of the Brits I uses to know would make self-aware, self-degrading imperialism jokes.
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If you are an Afrikaner and the AfrikanerKar actually offends you, chances are you're a racist and you're telling on yourself.
If you are a not racist Afrikaner, chances are you'd appreciate the pun and throw in some other self-aware joke or disown Elon in some way.
If you're not an Afrikaner, and you're offended on behalf of a hypothetical percieved possible racism experienced by a hypothetical person, well that's the definition of performative outrage, tone policing... and also assumes you understand other people's perception of what is and is not racist better than they do.
You don't get to decide for people of other races what is or isn't offensive sove to them.
JFC , now the left wing is talking about "political correctness gone mad"
All I'm saying is that statement is off colour and impolite. You can do whatever the fuck you want.
Oh my god it is supposed to be off color and impolite.
Do you somehow think Swasticar is not off color nor impolite?
And yes, thank you for your permission, sir/madam/yourhonorificofchoice, to allow me, an Anarchist, to continue to do whatever the fuck I want, thank you so much, I needed permission.
Wow, great. You got me, I used a milder word instead of Bigoted or Racist. Great work Anarchist boy, you sure told me how to behave.
Fuck off you child.
I didn't tell you anything, I asked you a question.
You, on the other hand, gave me permission as if you have some kind of authority over me, and have now graduated to direct commands.
If you don't wanna deal with me, please, by all means, use your lemmy-given clientside ability to block me.
Especially since Musk's family history is primarily from the English side.
I hate that I share so much in common with that scum 🤮
My experience was South Africa after living inside it for several years, is that many of the English South Africans were just as racist, but happy to let the Afrikaners do the dirty work and take the blame. After all, English speakers make up about 40% of the white population.
Oh there are plenty of incredibly racist Anglophone South Africans - no denying that. It's just that there's nothing he could do to make the Afrikaner Nationalists welcome him because he's not an Afrikaner by blood.
As a generalisation, the racist white South Africans also tend to have an English/Afrikaans tribalism that provokes tension, while the non-racist ones also tend not to give a damn about that tribalism either. The same is somewhat (but not entirely) true of racist black South Africans, and honestly that distrust amongst the various racist groups is a major reason that South Africa has been able to make so much progress.
Very good points!