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[–] muhyb@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You might find this interesting, because Erdogan is also a Kemalist (at least some variation of it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamokemalism

[–] rolling@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah yes, I can see how you can see the guy who used religion all his political career to his advantage and shat on the constitution just so he can stay in power longer, as a Kemalist.

/s

[–] LupertEverett@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Like legit, the guy hates Ataturk's guts, yet these idiots claim that he is a Kemalist.

I want what they are smoking. Must be some pretty good shit.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

As I said, it's a baseline for Turkey. Relative to that baseline he's almost an Islamist, yep. Relative to it he was also a liberal initially.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The dude is trying to delete Mustafa Kemal's name everywhere, claiming he is a kemalist is the equivelant of calling Stalin a nazi,

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is from a point of view of political science. He hates Ataturk but that doesn't prevent him to use his methods.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

he isnt comparable the toenail of Mustafa Kemal. All he does is selling off state properties and factories, polar opposite of what Ataturk did.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

That's an emotional reply. However he did fucked up the country pretty bad. But he uses Ataturk's methods to stay in power, which apparently he studied them well. Of course it doesn't describe him alone, he's a combination of an Islamist, a centrist and a Kemalist. More or like what an islamokemalist is.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know, it's basically impossible to be a politician in Turkey and not some kind of that.

If you look at most Sunni societies, their political ideology optimal point is simple - behead all the infidels, take all that belongs to Muslims, and that'd be all that Muslims claim, and institute Sharia law.

Young Turks and Kemal managed to transform that into a viable nationalist ideology. To be centered on Turks instead of Sunnis.

No secular regime in a Middle-Eastern Muslim country after them has managed to achieve that.

So - Erdogan's Muslim part in ideology is about equating Muslim and Ottoman, not about returning to the initially described system.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

Of course, it does not have the same goal. But it uses the same system.