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[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I hope one day the same will happen to Israel and Israelians and I hope no one will care anymore.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Or here's a novel thought: how about we start hoping for bad shit to not happen? The cycle of revenge and "I deserve this land because X" is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Settler colonialism is how we ended up in this situation. There is no 'both sides' when one is engaging in supremacy and genocide while the other is resisting eradication and fighting for their human rights

Edit:

For the people who are downvoting. Equating the violence here is the same as equating the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It's been over 76 years of violent apartheid, supremacy, and ethnic cleansing.

In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're getting down voted because you've missed the point. It doesn't matter why the current situation is happening, calling for genocide as a response to genocide makes you just as guilty as the people you hate.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Kami is, which is why I downvoted them.

Palestinian resistance is not calling for genocide.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I feel like I'm talking to a bot. All of your responses are at best tangentially related to what I say.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You blamed the current situation on the 'cycle of revenge,' which grossly misrepresents the reality of Zionism and the reaction of Palestinian resistance.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And you keep ignoring the point that it doesn't fucking matter. You can't solve genocide with more genocide.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago

I mean you can... you can't commit genocide if all your people are dead.

But that still involves genocide, and maybe this is a hot take, genocide is bad. So we shouldn't take that option.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Where are you getting that I'm calling for genocide?

Palestinian resistance is fighting for ending the apartheid, for equal rights, and for right of return. Not genocide.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Do you not read the context of comments you replied to? The guy I was responding to specifically said he hopes that what's happening to Palestinians happens to the Israelis.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Obviously this endless cycle of violence is not the way forward, but Israel must face some sort of penalty for their deplorable actions. What level of reparations would be appropriate here?

Should they follow Germany's example with respect to the Holocaust, post WWII? Are there any other historical examples of an oppressive regime stepping back and taking responsibility for the destruction and mass loss of life that they've caused?

What is reasonable here to break the cycle and move forward, as best as anyone meaningfully can?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And I already condemned them for that, so why are you attributing that to me or the Palestinian resistance

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not. I never was. I have no idea why you keep bringing it up.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

You're the one that keeps responding to me as if my comments are about calls to genocide.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 days ago

I'm not calling for anything, I'm just hoping they'll get what they are giving. If you think it is genocide, then so be it.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 0 points 4 days ago

That's what I keep saying about adopting healing language/actions because it's not different when we do it, for "reasons." The Lemmy masses are almost entirely against it.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Zionism is the problem. While a small Minority in Israel, there are many anti-zionist Israelis who are playing a critical role in dismantling Zionism.

It's a one-state reality of supremacy and apartheid. The only way out is with ending Zionism and implementing right of return, equal rights, and massive reparations to all Palestinians

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, from the outside it looks very much like the anti-Zionists are taking the position of "once the Zionists have done all the Zionism, we'll give them a very stern telling off."

This may not be how it actually is, but as long as Yahoo and people of his mindset are in charge, it won't look any better than that.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

That's certainly not what they are saying. Ilan Pappe and Avi Schlaim are great counter examples. I think what you're talking about fits post-zionists much more accurately. And in terms of post-zionism I agree.

Adi Callai has also done phenomenal work about bringing an end to Zionism, he has a great analysis of Franz Fanon as well.