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[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 37 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Goddamn right we should. Take the French up on the offer to build the Rafale here. Or the Swedes. And get a few demo units for short term.

Fuck 'em on any cancellation fees too. Consider it partial compensation for the ridiculous trade war.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago (13 children)

None of those airplanes even have similar capabilities. Why do you think the entirety of Europe has ordered so many F-35.

The only alternative is to wait 15+(realistically 20+) years for a 6gen plane from Europe. And with the alliance dying, who knows how much longer it will take now

Rafale and Gripen are more expensive and in many ways, less good. There is a reason why noone is buying them, or even if they did, they still want to buy more F-35.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The gripen is more agile than the f35 and capable of austere landings. Arguably more important traits than the ability to carry American nukes.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Being agile is kinda irrelevant if one can detect, lock and launch missiles tens of kilometers before the other plane can even detect it. Real life is not Top Gun. This is why everyone is buying the F-35.

There is a reason why China is spending billions designing and making stealth fighters, bombers and drones.

Agility isnt useless but it is highly overrated mostly by Russia, because they cant afford to produce(in relevant quantities) a stealth plane.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

They buy F35 because the US is the premier supplier of arms for NATO bar none.

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Russia has a different approach to the problem: Very aggressive jamming. Sure, you can see them before they can see you, but those missiles are gonna be much less effective at tracking and destroying targets.

Stealth is being as quiet as possible, Russian jets are so damn "loud" that you don't know which target is the real one.

Once within range for a more traditional dogfight it's basically a coin toss, mostly down to the pilots and the reliability of the plane's hardware.

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