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[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It seems possible that developing countries did a little better than we expected, but Iโ€™m not too familiar with that.

You know how China's rich enough to scare other world powers now? Yeah, that's because of big-earning and well-paying (relative to traditional subsistence farming) offshore jobs.

Without the option to export things to rich countries in exchange for things we can make but they can't (yet), third-world countries are stuck in a cycle of poverty. No money to pay for education or new enterprises, which leads to another generation of dysfunction, which saps away the money for education and enterprises.

I suppose India, Indonesia and Pakistan might be big enough to follow the Stalin path of state-importing contractors and prefab factories from the developed world instead, but I doubt anyone else is - the amount of money that takes is just crazy, and by definition they're starting with not a lot per capita.

For the already rich, yes. For the rest of us, no.

We'd still be back in the days where buying a new outfit was a very major investment, if it had to be spun and woven here instead of in Bangladesh. If you buy cheap imports, you do benefit.

You could argue that globalisation has caused wages to stagnate at the same time, but there's other possible culprits even for that - poor competition, a trend away from progressive taxation, and just the fact that the rich usually get richer in peacetime.

Also, I'd like to say, as a Western poor person I've got nothing on the starving Africans.

[โ€“] sbv@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

During the FTAA talks (and before), we were pushing for fair trade - saying that free trade between countries with similar labour and environmental regulations is fine.

We said that for all the reasons you mentioned: real investment can build a middle class and improve people's lives.

The thing we objected to with the trade agreements is that they would enrich oligarchs and screw workers.

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I just don't see how that is or was true, though, and it has nothing to do with the actual problem at hand. At least not directly.