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Kagi search has improved their ultimate plan (sopuli.xyz)
submitted 2 years ago by jmp242@sopuli.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world
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So I've been using Kagi for a while now as a paid search engine. I always thought it's $25 a month plan was a little steep for search, but a) I got work to pay for it, and b) startpage nee google was getting less and less useful, and bing and whatever used it has... well been worse for me always.

Anyway, I just got told that they've now adjusted their pricing / added features to Ultimate, and I think (at least now) that's actually added a lot of value if you're into the more advanced LLVM / AI models / chat. I have also been paying $20 a month through work for ChatGPT Plus. I might drop that because Kagi now lets you chat with / use GPT4 as well as Claude2 and a Google LLVM model with the one $25 a month, in addition to all the search and AI Search (with sourcing) together.

I don't know how well paid search is going to ever do - it might be a short term tool. But for now, not having ads in the search, a straightforward pay for service model that seems to work just as well with their stated privacy goals, and getting multiple AI LLVM is pretty cool "one stop shopping" if you will. I also like giving a shot to less ad based models for Internet services that I can't see how they don't become privacy invasions.

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[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

As soon as I start thinking about what Kagi offers, there are the following cons popping into my head:

  • I shouldn't need to pay for search
  • I shouldn't need to pay that much
  • I don't even want to be logged in in order to search
  • how does incognito search work if you need to be logged in?

I'll be watching their career with great interest, but I think I'll wait for something different.

[–] bugsmith@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, the reality is, search costs money. Quite a lot of money it seems.

So that is either paid for by you, or by someone else. Nobody is going to run search as a charity. So it's going to be paid for by parties interested in paying for your attention.

Even if you run ad blockers or use meta search engines like searx, you are going to be finding results by companies that have paid to be there.

I am a heavy search user. My search quantity is reasonably large just from personal use (I'm a curious dude, what can I say?) but my professional use of search as a software developer is staggering some days. My anecdotal experience is that that Google search has been declining in quality for years, and especially over the last two or three. DuckDuckGo is a nice alternative for privacy (potentially), but I while I find myself feeling less in a walled garden with them, I don't actually find their results to be any better than Google's.

I have tried Kagi recently. So far, I really like it. I genuinely feel like I get good results (read: find something quickly that is relevant to what I searched). I love their lensed searches that let you search the indie-web, and I love that they let you add weightings to websites that you trust.

It is expensive, no doubt. But for a certain audience that relies on quality web search, prefers to not be walled in by paying search engine optimizers and values paying for a product rather than opting to be the product, Kagi offers a solution.

Having said that, I would love to see the cost come down and make it more accessible to the many and I appreciate that for most people, the "free" search engines are good enough.

[–] Kyle@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

Why should these things be free? The other things we get for free on the web are either supported by donations or they harvest something from you that's valuable and sell it, that's not free either.

I'm into the idea of paying for higher quality services and have enjoyed my kagi trial. Might see if I can find someone to split an account with.

[–] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

You can generate a link, which has a token in the url, so you can search while in incognito (or even another browser.)

And to be fair, i pay $10 now because i hope one day it will only cost 5. It does not seem far fetched because they did just lower prices like a week ago. (Unlimited search was 25, now it costs 10)