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[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

If it comes down to that, we've already lost.

Right now, I'd advise people to do as much outreach as possible to people you know. If you're on commercial social media, post a screenshot, put the link in a comment. Send a DM. Put up stickers.

Building the level of support that would be necessary to win a revolution likely makes nonviolent paths such as impeachment possible.

The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support. Not as a first choice.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support.

That's one part of it, but also people should be defending themselves and their communities from ICE and one way to do that is guns. When an ICE agent is arresting your neighbor the correct option isn't to preach nonviolence, but to pull the damn trigger.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In practice, what I've seen people do is to use large crowds. I haven't yet seen any overt use of guns for that kind of defense.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago

This is great when it works and you have the numbers. But long term that is not a solution and not a solution all the time. A gun is a solution at all times. Get one before they don't let you.

If they are coming for you it's not a "misunderstanding". You wont be able to talk your way out of it by being nice and doing what they say. They are Nazis. They are taking you to a death camp.

They don't care if you're a citizen. They didn't care when it was a green card.

Stay in your home and defend it. Coordinate with your neighbors. Have one of them to call to bring additional resistance and pressure. But have a gun. Because when they break down your door. That's it.

Organizing with your community to protect each other is the best thing you can do. And part of that is making sure you are all prepared and armed.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Large crowds are awesome because if you kill one person in the crowd

The murderer is judged by a jury of his peers and sentenced then and there.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's remarkably hard to do in any kind of reliable way. ICE snatches are fast, and the odds of being there with a gun and recognizing what's going on are low. The odds of shooting somebody by mistake are high.

To date things like handing out red cards has been far more effective

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Damn right. “Please don’t arrest me, I was born here” depose.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 32 points 2 weeks ago

It's not about winning. It's about resisting. You don't only resist when you have good odds of winning. The people that fought the Warsaw ghetto uprising knew they would die. It is better to die taking down a few Nazis then to die on their terms.

TLDR: Get a gun. Fuck ICE. They're Nazis.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

"Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

[–] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When the best places to spread the message of Resistance, like Reddit, have decided to actively comply and collude with the Nazis, we have to rely on other means to spread the message and give hope to those who think they are alone. Seeing stickers on poles and walls and bumpers as the go through their day, lets them know that there are others out there who are of the same mind.

Its not the only weapon, obviously, nobody expects the war to be won with stickers alone, but it's one piece of the puzzle that has a real effect. Propaganda is powerful, which is why the Reoublicans actively built the Conservative Propaganda Machine, which now fully controls the political messaging in America, as the Dems stood by, smugly scoffing, and totally neglecting their chance to answer it. Now they are 30 years behind in that game, and still haven't even started to conceptualize a strategy to confront it.

[–] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Reddit, like any and all media media, has been controlled by your regime since 2016 when it grew exponentially and became too important.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

“We’ve tried nothing and…”

I’m not exactly the most active person. Not been to protests here in Canada but I do vote and all that. But ya know what I don’t do? I don’t actively discourage people from protecting themselves.

You have already lost. The question is whether or not you’re willing to fight back and win in round two.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Centrists like you got us here. Status quos. Call your rep. Go chant in a circle and pray for a better life.

See where that got us? Don’t like being shot at? Don’t be a cunt.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Realistically the lazy, stupid, and fascism supporters got us here.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

So, humanity. Got it.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

If it comes down to that

another move of the goal post