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Not surprisingly, the constitutionalists and “Biden is too old” ~~crowd~~ Republicans are silent.
The "Biden is too old" crowd isn't silent, but there's very little to say about Biden's age now and there are better reason to oppose Trump than his age.
See above reply. I should not have, mistakenly, implied democrats earnestly concerned about Bidens age are silent now. My point was to illustrate Republican hypocrisy.
Republicans are not and have never been honest. At least since Regan. This includes Republican voters.
I haven't witnessed the people who said that go silent. They changed topics that there were cats and dogs being eaten in Springfield Ohio, topics that JD Vance "couch couch couch", topics that eggs are expensive, topics that Canada is bad, topics that Greenland needs to be taken over by the USA, topics that Ukraine started the war against Russia, they are anything but silent, they are commenting all over every media platform they can find free time to utilize.
FWIW my issue was never explicitly about Biden's age but his mental capacity, which had clearly declined (he did have some good days tho.)
Trump's mental capacity seems to be about the same as it always was (it was always low, but not as bad as Biden on a bad day.)
Not that I'd vote for Trump either way, mind you.
Are we talking about the same person? Trumps ramblings are more incoherent than ever. He often forgets words, or uses the wrong word, and then gets confused trying to find the right word. Those are serious signs of dementia related diseases.
Trump can't even keep a thought in his head for more than 5 minutes which is fortunate because he can't articulate on any thought past 2 minutes. So ya he's gonna repeat himself once or twice its simple math. It's not just that he's dumb, or senile.... he's also woefully uneducated.
Yes, his chaos and nonsense has gotten more aggressive, even stronger in favor of Russia, etc.
Trump rambles about the same as he did in the 2016 election, he was just as incoherent back then, he brain-farted in the middle of a sentence on multiple occasions during his first term and just babbled to try to cover it. None of this is new, none of it has increased sharply and thus become a sudden new concern - he's the same senile little shithead he's been since the early 2000s at least. But he still clearly has some capability to speak and act somewhat normally, unlike Biden on that debate stage who looked confused and not all there all of a sudden (and was fine a few days later.)
So if there is decline, and I'm not arguing there isn't, it's been going on for a long time. Biden's was new, bad, and seemed to be accelerating fairly rapidly. I'm not saying Trump is better - I'm about as far from being a Trump supporter as one can be and still be on the same political spectrum - I'm just saying Biden's mental health was a problem, and pretending that it isn't is part of why it is.
I watched the Biden, Trump debate, and i did not think Biden was incoherent. Dunno wtf everyone is talking about. He looked old and tired, that's about it. I swear, every time people say this i feel like its a god damn talking point.
I don't think he was incoherent, I think he was lost. It took him some time to figure out what was going on and get around to answering the question, and while he did answer them, he was a space cadet man. Iono if it's meds or dementia or what, but. But I mean Trump is a fucking mentally deficient clown with a bad case of verbal diarrhea, so neither party were 'sending us their best', if you know what I mean. :P
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Bro biden had no problem communicating. He had a speach impediment.
I watch most presidential press briefings and only one of the 80 year old presidents is a senile old fool.
Even if Biden has lost his mind, the remaining parts amounted for more knowledge about government and international affairs than trump ever had.
Biden is gone and our problems are just begining, do me a favor and keep his name out of your mouth.
What? I've heard him talk from a few years ago, he stumbles over his words occasionally, but Biden's debate performance was not a speech impediment. He was lost, easily distracted, and spoke like he wasn't all there. And the fact that it comes and goes (he seemed fine just a few days later) suggests this is a mental issue, not a life-long thing. I agree with you though, Biden is still better than Trump (I am about as far from being a Trump supporter as one can possibly be and still be on the same political spectrum), and his cabinet was far better, but pretending that it's not a problem is part of why it was a problem.
Also you are cordially invited to fuck all the way off with that 'keep his name out of your mouth' shit. I'm here to have adult discussions about our situation and how we got into it, if you can't handle that then you're welcome to go sit at the kids' table.
Did you see the entire 4 year presidency so you can compare it to the current one or did you just see the debate bro? You realize he was on TV talking every day for 4 years and fox news captured all the speech blunders. It was not that many.
Did you see anything but the debate bro? be honest? Did you say Genocide Joe and Vote Jill Stien and hand the election to trump? Pretending like biden was a bad president is an opinion reserved for Fox news enjoyers. Biden was not the problem you were. The low information voter. The voter that shows up last minute and sorts through a couple narratives and sends it. Or are you the voter that splits the party in the most important election of our life time. Which one are you bro? You don't sound like you need to be discussing politics, you need to be studying it.
Sorry, is it suddenly a problem that I judge a candidate by the campaign they run like literally everyone else?
I only bring up the debate because while there had been gaffes and brain-farts before, this was the most he's spoken at one time in a while and it was real fuckin' bad, man, and anyone with eyes could see it. I dunno if it was a new problem or an old problem getting worse, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess it's the second one since his staff has already spoken out about his issues. I'm not saying Biden was a bad president (certainly not compared to either Trump term so far), and he at least had a competent administration around him. I'm saying he was a bad candidate and should not have run again. You know, like he said he wouldn't.
I look forward to not expecting your vote against trumps 3rd term. Be sure to keep criticizing the dems in the past and not focusing on the authoritarian coup underway!
You can look forward to not having any idea how I vote because I don't discuss that. Also I definitely will, thanks. Maybe one day you too will be a grown-ass adult who is capable of criticizing multiple things at the same time. Won't that be fun!
eh I just spend the whole biden admin watching press releases, speeches and fighting with republicans about his dementia. Turns out it was total hypocrisy and like bidens age, not an issue with trump.
I really don't care who you voted for if you are still spending time talking about bidens debate blunders, I know which candidate you helped get elected. Your words did more than your vote here.
Maybe you should think about the criticism and the timing. Because it was poorly timed in 2024 and completely irrelevant now. We all want younger sharper candidates. having biden step down should have happened in 2022 and not 2024. That was a mistake.
Trump is also experiencing mental decline, no doubt. It's just not as sharp a decline as Biden's, nor has it progressed as far. I'm definitely talking about both though. I didn't want either of those creaky old space cadets running anything more important than a fucking bake sale.
And no it isn't particularly relevant, but I wasn't the one who brought it up, the person I was replying to originally did. Don't give a fuck about the timing though, as previously mentioned I am capable of criticizing multiple things at the same time. I do agree that Biden should've stepped down in '22 tho, or, worst case, just not run in '24.
Fair, sorry i've just been seeing that opinion pop up in too many posts. I never had to worry about anything during the biden administration. I was embarrassed by 3-4 gaffes and nothing he did remotely came close to threatening Canada and Europe. Which trump is doing in pre-dementia. If biden was so incompetent in his final years in office, I failed to notice it. I always saw a strong competent leader who was doing his best for the country. I saw half america spitting on him as he helped them with real problems in their life. It's just a bad look to be trashing biden with trump doing a hitler/putin dictator speedrun. You're allowed to have multiple opinions just don't respect the opinion that biden was unable to lead the country. We ended the 4 year term in strong footing and its all been destoryed in 20 days because Kamalas laugh was on Tic Tok more than her policy. I hate it here.
Fair enough. I try to have more nuanced opinions than 'both sides bad', but.. :P
You're right though, I'm sweating a lot more in this administration with their attacks on social security (I'm on disability), shitting on our allies, going after our neighbors, etc etc. I had no illusions, I knew another Trump term would be worse by far than another Biden term. Mostly my argument about Biden's mental decline isn't that I don't want a dementia patient running the country because apparently that's not a choice we get to make, but rather that a lot of people weren't going to vote for him based on those issues and especially after the debate.
You do make a fair point though about trashing Biden (which really wasn't my intent anyway) while Trump and his pals are doing their best Sieg Heil impression, I need to be more aware of that perception and make sure I'm more clear about it when I do cause I don't want anyone to get the impression that I think Trump is better in literally any way whatsoever.
Yea I dealt with my trump voting buddy for 3 years while he sent me shit about Biden starting WW3.
Trumps like balls deep in WW3 now and my buddy refuses to discuss it. Like bro i spend 3 years calming your fears and watching biden so you didn't have too. And now your guy starts WW3 and you're not even gonna tell me its gonna be okay!?!?!?
We both trade stocks so same thing with the market "hey bud the market may never recover from Trump and you may lose all your money and have to go back to work"
He does not care.
So part of my both sides shit is just frustration from having republican friends who are both sides bad until trumps in office and then its like. See no evil hear no evil, quit over reacting lib....
Also i've studied history and presidents. In 30-40 years from now we will be discussing the biden presidency in a very postive light. He looks like an actual genius inbetween two trump terms. I'm tired of hearing about him, tired of having to defend him. He did the best he could with the America we have. Can't say that about trump.
Yeah, fair enough, I definitely get that frustration. A friend of mine is a former Trump voter who was in a similar situation. During Trump's first term he was all like 'You don't actually dislike him you're just jumping on the 'orange man bad' bandwagon', and I'm like.. yeeeeeah, when you start telling me what I think there's not a lot of conversation left to be had there. :P
Why are you guys talking about the debate performance? Is that the only time you watched Biden speak? I watch press briefings 24/7. Biden spoke just fine when he was talking to europe. He spoke fine when he talked to the american people.
But ya he couldnt keep up with trump lying his ass off, go figure. AT 10 PM at night. Sure ya bro go off. you guys are totally spitting. Nothing about policy or government just all debate vibes "dId YoU sEe ThE dEbAtE bRo?"
As his staff has said he has good days and bad, which is pretty common with dementia-related illnesses.
Have you ever been around someone with dementia? Have you ever watched them slowly fade away until they can't even remember their own family members? I have. I remember those 'maybe they're not all there' days, and it was almost worse that they were interspersed with days where they seemed lively and all together and on top of the world, because you know it won't last, because those days will get fewer and further between until they just don't come at all.
Would you elect my grandmother who thinks she's still living under the Hoover administration? I wouldn't.
Yes I lost my grandma to dementia, so I'm a bit offended at you confusing a speach impediment and old age with actual dementia.
I must have clinical dementia too at 35 from smoking to much weed. I forget shit all the time from some light ADD.
Anyway, reality called. You got Dementia Don as president. He's half as lucid and 3 times as dangerous, and he's sorrounded by incompetent Yes-men.
I'm done arguing with you. Bidens corpse would be a better president than Trump. Just down vote me and leave me alone.
I'm sorry for your loss. Mine isn't gone yet, but it won't be long.
But I wouldn't vote for your grandmother either.
Nah i'm fine with capping office at 70-75. I think we also need to be more open and blunt when people have served enough. There needs to be succession plans and not just sit in seat and die.
Yeah, that sounds good to me. Although honestly I think more term limits can only improve things. Maybe just 1 term for everything max.
Think about AOC first term, very popular with her base. She got a lot of media attention because republicans hated her. Young hot smart and totally lefty. Couple terms in congress and she is reformed a bit in messaging. She understands procedure better, and she's eligible for important roles in comittees. In this time she's gained my support as a centrist.
I think this is what the party needs to be doing more. We bring in fresh blood, we help them grow as politicians and we don't strangle their visions and constituents because we don't agree with them. Let the people decide. But it takes time for AOC to gain my favor. It's a trust thing, her words and her action, following her over 4-8 years makes you feel better about sending them back for 4 more.
After 20 years ya curb em, but some of the best politicians and policies are worth fostering and need leadership that can last multiple political cycles.
Iono, from the somewhat-outside (I'm a bit more lefty than the Democratic party) perspective, I disagree, because it kind of seems like what happened is AOC talked a big game, got some press on some more progressive ideas, and then got 'deradicalized' I guess is the word? back to the centrist norm of the party. Now I barely hear about her because she's (to my understanding, but I haven't been following her very closely) just like all the other democrats in office instead of being the idealist firebrand she once was. That feels like a solid loss for her constituents in my book, but.. shrug that's just, like, my opinion, man.
I'm definitely with you that the party needs some fresh blood though, the vampires in charge have long overstayed their tenure.
Extremely reasonable concerns, I agree. I wish Biden would have passed the baton early on like he said he was going to. I honestly think that cost the Democrats the election.
But given the choice between a declining Biden surrounded by competent people or Trump surrounded by sycophants, I would choose the former.
I perhaps should have clarified that I meant Republicans who said they opposed Biden because of his age, who are suddenly okay with someone in his 80s running.
I certainly did not mean Democrats earnestly voicing concern of Bidens age.
They're not upset you appeared to criticize a Democrat. They're juvenilly incensed that you dared push back against the propaganda they fully believe. With the most feint of defense of a Democrat. Check their history. Dingdong don't do nuance or maturity. You're fine.
You know its funny @Eldritch@lemmy.world
I was pulling receipts the other day of yours. You like I should post them here?
Sure go ahead. It won't disprove anything I said. But that wasn't the point was it? It was all about deflection and distraction. Because you don't have a response to it. You know it's true. And you just proved it. My sins real or imagined won't change that. Have a nice day😀
Lies and projection, impressive. As proof I point to your very first post in this thread chain. Go ahead look at your post now back to mine post again, then back to yours. Who's the juvenile toxic one? Oh BTW you offered no receipts. You made an empty claim without even a link to a single post.
Let me show you how to do it. You are well known for not being able to handle anyone who disagrees with you. No matter how respectfully. Resorting to juvenile tactics and name calling, such as blue maga. In an attempt to discredit the arguments and points of others. Because you cannot put forth any cogent defense of your viewpoints. You shrilly shouted it plenty.
My only stance was that statistically, mathematically, historically, evidentially, and traditionally a Democrat or a Republican would win the presidency. That we should pick our battles and focus on keeping the fascist out. Nothing more nothing less. You were the one running Purity tests attacking the candidates we had. Fantasizing over candidates we didn't. Focusing on being part of the group that helped keep constant attacks on Democrats in the news and not the fact that their opponent was a literal fascist that would be the end of us. And while Democrats are plenty to blame for their own failures. You factor in as well. I never advocated for any particular candidate.(against plenty) Just to keep the fascist out. But please do point a link to an actual quote of me saying otherwise. Would have if you could have. But you didn't. Because as I said before, all you have is juvenile emotion and projection.
Oh and I stand by the statement in that image in general. As history has born it out but it doesn't show what you say it does. Maga blindly things to emotion and ideology over reality. As people like yourself do
Reading comprehension. Read again, slower this time.
The only value you have to offer the world, is a demonstration of the kind of gaslighting toxicity that destroyed western Democracy.
And somehow it's still more than you've got to offer the world.
I did my best to try and save these fools from themselves. They insisted on self-destruction.
Edit: Also, 9 comment sockpuppet? Give me a break.
Me being new here has nothing to do with what a clown you are.
Thank you for the clarification.