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[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (14 children)

Yes, as it conveys nothing more than the prompt it was given. Art is a means of communication, but when all it does is chop up pictures it’s seen to match a prompt there just isn’t anything to analyze.

It may look pretty in the moment, but lacks all substance and will be forgotten as quickly as it was generated.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

Just playing devil's advocate here. Let me lay out some counter points .. (it'll take me an edit or two to format this right, btw.)

  1. Instructing a machine to assemble bits in a specific way takes creativity. My prompt to AI is that creativity and without it, you can't even get much of a copy of anything. Even though AI is generally assembling stolen bits, the end result (ignoring copyright law) can be original.

  2. Music has been mostly "figured out" and many songs we have heard over your lifetime use many of the same exact chord progressions. I-V-vi-IV being one of the most common and used in the following songs:

Journey -- "Don't Stop Believing"

James Blunt -- "You're Beautiful"

Black Eyed Peas -- "Where Is the Love"

Alphaville -- "Forever Young"

Jason Mraz -- "I'm Yours"

Train -- "Hey Soul Sister"

The Calling -- "Wherever You Will Go"

Elton John -- "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" (from The Lion King)

  1. Musicians may use patterns or progressions from other songs. Painters may use the same colors and brushes designed by other artists. In both cases, techniques that have been known for thousands of years are being used in self-expression.

I assert that given the correct instructions, you can still give someone plenty to analyze, via prompt, that has enough detail to extract a deeper meaning:

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FWIW, I am extremely fed up with this AI hype now. "AI" is just a tool, and that is it. I could go on for hours about this mess, but I am trying to make a valid point: Regardless of how you interpret copyright, art is just self-expression.

There are endless examples I could give about technique re-use when it comes to creating art with machines. From my perspective, a particular brush stroke might be the same as using a specific bit at a particular depth of cut on a CNC. The art theft for AI training is one aspect, for sure. The biggest issue I see is that many people don't understand how to create original art and the AI just spits out a copy of something it was trained on and something the user already saw.

Edit: After reading many of the other comments here, many people have a strange definition of "art". Yes, art can be about communication, it can be about sending a message, it can express a style of creativity or hundreds of other things.

Art is just.. art. It's something a person sketches, composes, speaks, signs or farts. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Hell, you don't even need to recognize something as art for it to be art. Art is just self-expression. It's a feeling that is converted into some kind of other medium that others might happen to see, feel or hear, smell, taste or a combination of all of those things.

As much as I hate to admit it, a banana taped to a wall is art. Someone eating said banana is also art. I think it's fucking stupid, but who am I to not call it someone's self-expression?

[–] occultist8128@infosec.pub 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

based on your points (2 and 3), do you think there are no more "original art" in this world?

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, to shorten everything down, there are few original building blocks. "Original art" can absolutely be original but, at the end of the day, is usually made up of large blocks of existing stuff. How those blocks function as a whole could be considered the "original" bit when talking about my specific arguments.

I mentioned music because there really aren't many methods that haven't been discovered and used hundreds of times over. If I had a nickel for everytime I sketched out a four-to-the-floor drum variation, I would be a wealthy man. (Nearly every EDM/House/Techno beat uses something like it.) Chord progressions and transitions are best learned from the classics: Beethoven, Mozart, etc.. (Hip-hop/Pop artists are notorious for trying to sue each other over sample theft even though the samples are generally common musical phrases... Eesh.. That is a mess of a situation, btw.)

But. Original art made with original components can still be made. This is a big world, after all.

To clarify though: I do not support the theft of data for the use of training AI. Period. I also don't particularly care for AI art, personally.

[–] occultist8128@infosec.pub 2 points 3 days ago

thanks for your opinion 🙂

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