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[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It’s ok to dislike corporations but how are the veggies “shitty?”

[–] Pogbom@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is gonna sound kinda bougie of me but local stuff even just tastes better than mass-produced stuff. I started getting a weekly farm box from one down the road, and my god, I have never tasted a carrot so carroty in my entire life.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The commercial seed GMO game is plants that won't make viable seeds so farmers need to keep buying from suppliers. And then the plants are chosen and bred for transportation and appearances, not flavor or nutrition.

The local farms and heirloom varieties are legitimately better.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

The commercial seed GMO game is plants that won’t make viable seeds so farmers need to keep buying from suppliers.

And the ones that do yield viable seed will get you sued for violating your limited license to use their patented plants if you plant them.

[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Scaled markets prefer patented hybrid seeds (yes, that's real) that have high shelf life, resistance to bruising, and a uniform shape that makes them easy to pack. And high-yield of course. The flavour isn't really relevant to the corporate farming system, certainly not as much as crop yield and longevity for shipping them is. And of course these patented hybrids are all sterile so farmers have to buy more seeds each year.

Go to a smaller independent business however, and they're often using different breeds. Maybe they can't afford (or qualify for) these fancy hybrids. Maybe they just don't want them.

If you want a tomato that is full of flavour and ripened on the plant, fed with sugar from the stalk, you can't get one from a supermarket. It's just cheaper to pick them early while they're green, ship them, and let them 'ripen' (or turn red) in an enzyme bin, even if they're not gaining any sugars that way without the plant.

I prefer local home-grown because I prefer delicious tomatoes that last a week in the fridge more than I do sour water-balloons that look pristine and shiny on the counter for twice as long. I buy my food to eat it, not look at it.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You’re describing personal taste. None of what you’ve said establishes these vegetables as “shitty.”

Your description of how seeds are managed at a genetic level by larger corporations is spot-on, however.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You’re describing personal taste.

If your takeaway from them is that veggies modified to ship, picked green and gassed to ripe is personal taste, you really haven't a leg to stand on.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

He literally states: “I prefer.”

Are you looking for an argument on his behalf?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm calling you out on

None of what you’ve said establishes these vegetables as “shitty.”

But now that i looked at your post history, it's rather pointless,

Just blocking you as another troll.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip -3 points 19 hours ago

That’s silly. I didn’t look at your history because I’m not a creeper.

[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz -3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Because they taste like shit? They're also less nutritious too. The entire fucking point of food is to eat it, and we've developed varieties that taste bland, are unsatisfying, and are less nutritionally complex. We have un-fooded our food.

Shitty flavour. Shitty nutrition. Shitty anti-trust profit practices.

'Shitty' is an adjective for value. Value is personal. Any answer for why somebody would value the food less and consider it shitty is the question you're asking, and if you don't like that answer, then your question is dishonest.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip -2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You said, “I buy my food to eat it, not look at it.”

Now you’re claiming the opposite while also establishing your personal preference as the standard for non-shitty.

Do you see how this is confusing to anyone reading your comments?

[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

How am I claiming the opposite? I prefer food that is nice to eat. I continue to maintain I prefer food that is nice to eat. I enjoy home-grown tomatoes. I don't buy supermarket tomatoes because they are not nice to eat.

Did you miss the part where 'shitty' is a personal assessment with no objective value? If all you care about is profit margins, then hybrid breeds aren't shitty, that's why they use them. But I'm not a person who sells fruit, I'm a person who eats them. Therefore, shitty is a measure of how nice they are to eat.

You are a stranger on the internet. I thought you were asking why a person might consider them shitty, and I answered in good faith. Then you made it obvious you just want to sea lion.

If you think my job is to convince you why you think they're shitty, that makes no fucking sense, and I'm not going to do that. Your opinions are yours. Enjoy your water balloons.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 0 points 18 hours ago

I don’t think we’re speaking the same language. I already laid it out for you.

I’ll remain confused. Thanks for the conversation.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Most veggies in grocery stores are bred for things like appearance and shelf life more than actual quality.

I think tomatoes are a prime example of this.

Tomatoes bruise easily, and people kind of want to buy the perfect, round, bright red tomatoes, not a weird lumpy-looking, funny colored bruised up one.

So big farmers grow tomatoes that look pretty, and are sturdier to better handle being shipped thousands of miles, that will last better on grocery store shelves, etc.

But there's trade-offs there for things like texture and taste. That perfect-looking tomato may be bland and watery.

They may also be doing stuff like picking them before they're fully ripe and artificially ripening them with ethylene gas or something later in a warehouse.

When you get tomatoes from a smaller, local farmer though, they don't have to be shipped as far, or sit around in a warehouse or grocery store as long, so they don't need to pick varieties based on shelf life and ability to stand up to shipping, and can instead grow varieties that taste good. And they can pick them at their peak ripeness because they're going more directly from the field to the consumer and they don't have to rely on tricks like ethylene.

My wife isn't a picky eater, but when we first started dating she thought that she didn't really like tomatoes.

But she had only ever had regular grocery store tomatoes.

Until we moved in together and I grew some myself. Then she discovered that tomatoes can actually be really good. Now she can't get enough of them, as long as they're good tomatoes.

And I didn't even grow any particularly fancy tomatoes. That first year that I made a convert of her I just had some regular ol' beefsteak, Roma, and cherry tomatoes that I picked up as pre-started plants from Walmart or home Depot or somewhere like that, and grew them in pots on the patio of our apartment. Basically entry-level gardening, but that was enough to blow her mind.

Another year I grew, I think the variety was called something like "mucho nacho" jalapenos. We love jalapenos to begin with, but holy shit. That particular variety was everything we ever wanted a jalapeno to be. We had one or two other varieties going that year to have a comparison, but that one stood head-and-shoulders above the others, bigger, a little hotter, and just plain tastier.

And farmers can probably get their hands on even better varieties than whatever I could get at a big box hardware store, and have the know-how to really give them ideal growing conditions.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Not as fresh? Maybe grown out of season in a different climate and also (in the case of cauliflower) usually growing black spots before it comes out of the bag.

My local grocery has been real bad about green beans as of late.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They're grown for looks instead of flavor and usually picked before they're ripe, for one. Not to mention the logistics of mass production and transportation means they've been knocked around pretty bad by the time they get to your grocer.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago

Industrial fertilizer is an unholy abomination