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[–] nostrauxendar@lemmy.world 133 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

While I think these apps are exploitative on both sides (exploiting laziness/convenience and exploiting workers), I think implying that people who use delivery services are racist, classist, or both, is a very "internet" thing to do.

Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas. A little walk in the real world, as opposed to Lemmy or Twitter or Bluesky, might help rebalance things.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Consider folks with disabilities or those who don't own cars. I really don't see the problem of a delivery service like DoorDash or UberEats that would pay its workers a living wage.

The reason those are unethical is that they don't treat their workers as employees, and don't pay enough. If someone started a generic-delivery service that used employed workers that are paid a living/thriving wage, didn't request tips, had set fees, had customer service reps, and maybe had workers wear cams while on the shift as a security measure... would that not be worth supporting?

[–] nostrauxendar@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

Hey, I totally agree with you.

The concept behind these apps is fine, even helpful. I've used these types of apps when I've been unwell and couldn't get to the shops. I'm not forgetting people who are disabled. I don't own a car.

I agree, an app that provided a similar service that took care of its employees would be fine. An app that provided a similar service without jacking the prices up massively and pushing junk food would be great.

I know and agree with you that the poor treatment and underpayment of workers is a problem.

Yes, of course your alternative app would be worth supporting.

We do not seem to be in any disagreement here.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 10 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

If we all stop using the app, does it benefit these gig workers?

[–] verdare@piefed.blahaj.zone 33 points 18 hours ago

No, but the social conditions that allow the gig economy to even exist hurts gig workers. As usual, a systemic issue is being framed as a matter of consumer choice.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago

am I at lemmy meme.ml? lol

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org -4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas.

Don't worry I will have to go to my horrible laboring job.

[–] nostrauxendar@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

The kind that only lower class minorities work? /s in case it wasn't obvious