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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 58 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Shut up, Elrond. Where was this certainty when all you had to do was kick Isildur into the pit to save the entire fucking world?

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 12 points 10 hours ago

It wasn't in his nature to cut corners.

We only saw half the story, the regret. He had motives for not doing it, we just didn't see them because we didn't need to.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

There's absolutely no way that could have happened. While Sauron was defeated on the slopes of Orodruin, the movie scene where Isildur and Elrond climb to the ledge of the fires isn't in the books.

Elrond recounts what happened that day to Boromir, much later:

Isildur took it, as should not have been. It should have been cast then into Orodruin’s fire nigh at hand where it was made. But few marked what Isildur did. He alone stood by his father in that last mortal contest; and by Gil-galad only Círdan stood, and I. But Isildur would not listen to our counsel.

‘“This I will have as weregild for my father, and my brother,” he said; and therefore whether we would or no, he took it to treasure it. But soon he was betrayed by it to his death; and so it is named in the North Isildur’s Bane. Yet death maybe was better than what else might have befallen him.

There's no way Elrond could have picked up a grieving Isildur who is holding his dead father, carried him kicking and screaming, and yeeted him off the precipice.

Imagine, in the hour of such a pyrrhic victory, with Gil'galad and Elendil bodies still warm after their sacrifice, trying to murder the new High King of the Dúnedain and, technically, the ruler of both Arnor and Gondor over having claimed a ring? That's a whole new war right there between what human and elven armies were still standing...

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That would have been a rather short book.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I don't see it seeded in the Tolkien's world for times after LotR, but having no great evil to cooperate against would put a lot of alliances to the test before they'd learn how to live in peace. This may take a lot of pages if not tomes.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

A Song of Ice and Fire, basically.