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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 110 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (11 children)

First of all, take my upvote because the meme is funny and I'm definitely the old guys at the bottom.

As for modern UEFI config utilities, they are, IMO, a huge step backwards in usability. Yeah, modern UEFI configuration utilities look flashy and provide more context / capabilities / help info, but most are a nightmare to actually use and practically force you to use a mouse.

Which would be....fine, I guess, if all mice were treated equally or consistently. Most don't respond to the scroll wheel, so you're dragging the scroll bar like a neanderthal. Some mice work fine, others will only move the cursor around a small area of the screen, some only move in the Y axis, some only in the X axis, some mice move the cursor at a glacial pace, others zoom it at something approaching light speed and basically just teleport the cursor from one edge of the screen to the other. And a mouse that works fine to configure a Dell may or may not work fine with an HP or even a different Dell. It's just an obnoxious crapshoot that shouldn't exist when we have standardized HID specs for input devices like mice.

Even on laptops, the UEFI config is often a PITA to use with the built-in pointing device(s). e.g. My ThinkPads treat the touchpad and trackpoint very differently, and neither is comfortable to use, just differently awkward.

Using the keyboard is also annoying since it's similar to navigating in a regular GUI and having to tab through every checkbox to get to the next settings section. And (at least) Dell UEFI designers freaking love their massive arrays of checkboxes.

To wrap up my "old man yells at cloud" diatribe, I've always appreciated function over form and generally prefer a good TUI to a flashy GUI.

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 30 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

I own a repair shop so I’m sure my perspective comes from spending an unusual amount of time in UEFI/BIOS over the course of the years, but I find that they remain perfectly usable with a keyboard.

Most modern UEFI have an “advanced mode” (usually F7) that is a lot closer to traditional BIOS layout and navigability. I actually get unreasonably bothered when trainees insist on fumbling around with the mouse in “Easy Mode”

There’s so many options in modern UEFI that there are two features I’m actually incredibly grateful for:

The “Favorites” systems, so that you can have all of the settings you’ll actually change all in one place

The “Profiles” systems, so that you can easily hop between configurations

Without those, the onion meta-game of finding options that are arranged differently on AMD vs Intel or between different motherboard vendors is a rough time.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I'll have to check for that.

For work, the only thing I typically configure via the console is the iDRAC settings and do everything else from there. But in my homelab, I've got a bunch of late model Optiplex USFF PCs (rising electricity rates forced me to downsize from the PowerEdges I used to run). Configuring a recent batch of those was a complete exercise in frustration, and I don't recall seeing anything like an advanced mode listed, but TBH, I wasn't looking for it either.

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 4 points 21 hours ago

In the OEM / Laptop / Prebuilt space I’m definitely seeing move of a pivot towards graphical UEFI, that ones with forced mouse navigation are currently the exception but when I come across it I hate it.

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