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[–] raviiishing@sh.itjust.works -5 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The solution is to pay workers enough so that the government doesn't need to shift the burden of paying for children to those who don't even have any.

As always, the money needs to come from the people at the top. As always, privatize the gains and socialize the losses.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

The solution is to pay workers enough so that the government doesn’t need to shift the burden of paying for children to those who don’t even have any.

I know you're banned, and this comment tells me a lot about why that probably happened without me having to dig through the mod history.

This is some pro-capitalism slop even if you think it's so far left it has tank treads. This is a surefire tactic to put a nation's healthcare in the same situation the US is in now. Without a total reform of the entire economic foundation of a country, you are simply NOT fucking getting a government who will tax their wealthy to keep up with whatever the healthcare system is charging for their procedures.

This is why healthcare is more complicated than lopping off the heads of the elites and spreading that money. We have to make systems that ensure no single person or institution is left on the hook for figuring out what to charge or pay.

edit: the comment gets worse the more I reread it.

doesn’t need to shift the burden of paying for children to those who don’t even have any

This is the very fundamental principle of having healthcare, whether it's private or public, it's very expensive and resource-intensive to keep people broadly alive and healthy, you absolutely cannot start deciding who gets this funding and who doesn't deserve it if you want a fair system, and it feels like everyone (people like you) really get bent out of shape about this right up until YOU are the special case who needs society to pool our resources to help you with your stupid problem. Then suddenly the "social contract" that made you so mad previously seems like a pretty good idea. FFS I am so fed up with narrow-minded children weighing in on shit they have no understanding of.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That doesn't make any sense.

Paying workers more is fine, but you're saying that the costs for reproduction should come from parents, and then you're saying they should come from the rich. People without children should contribute to childcare costs, and they are incentivized to do so, too, because children are important to pretty much everything. By having the government fund childcare, the rich do contribute more.

Whatever you said is inconsistent.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I don't know, it makes a lot of sense, in an asinine way. Many people are self-centered and incredibly selfish. Of course we all benefit from living in a world where children are happy, fed, cared for, and well adjusted. But for folks without kids, it's usually indirect, rather than direct benefits, making it harder to quantify.

But, their property taxes that fund schools are easy to quantify, so the selfish get grumpy about it.

It's like not wanting your tax dollars to fund cancer research, because you don't have cancer. It makes no sense, until you remember the person talking is a selfish dunce.

[–] KernelTale@programming.dev 2 points 17 hours ago

Everyone has been born so everyone should have had a free birth. I do agree that workers need better pay but certain expenses should be handled by the government only. It's not gonna properly optimize itself by supply and demand when we as a society benefit in more children.